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Topic: Chord progressions--advancing from beginner to intermediate |
James Morehead
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Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 10 May 2007 8:36 pm |
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| Let's say a beginner has the major and minor chord forms/inversions found on the E9th OR C6th neck, what should be next to pursue and learn and understand concerning chords and applying them?? |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 11 May 2007 12:35 am
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One of the things you may want to add to a practice exercise is the simple but very popular 1,6M,2M,5 progression..
C, AM, DM, G/G+
Play this in several positions up the fretboard, and in different keys..
Another version of this would be the even more popular and familiar..
1,6M,4 and 5 (Sleepwalk)
C, AM,F ,G (G7) ( some play FM here as well)
Using the A Pedal Minor position and the E Flat lever minor positions to fill in the blanks..
I don't think many of us are actually thinking in terms chord names but rather relative positions from the root. For me personally if I have to think of the actual correct chord name it will be too late before I actually get around to playing it ! On the Steel I see the progressions as relative positions from the root , on the 6 string I see the cord names..kinda crazy but it works...
Play each of the above examples from the AB Pedals IN position and then again from the OPEN (no pedals ) positions.
hope this helps
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 11 May 2007 12:42 am
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I would look into diatonic triads as passing and sub chords and how they relate to harmonized scales/melodies.
On E9:
For example in the key of C major play
I C
ii Dm
iii Em
IV F
V G7
vi Am
All at the 8th fret.
Then find all those same chords at the 3rd fret.
Then find the vii B dim wherever you can.
I'll tab it out when I figure out the new website system.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 11 May 2007 4:44 am
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Just to look at the subtext:
| Tony Prior wrote: |
For me personally if I have to think of the actual correct chord name it will be too late before I actually get around to playing it ! |
It has been demonstrated that the conscious mind is actually just a monitor to action, in the way that the computer monitor is only the 'user illusion' [from the book by the same name, by Tor Nortranders] of the workings of the machine. By the time we 'think' of something, we've already done it!
Chord names will help us learn the positions, but it's the position, in the end, that makes the chord.
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Those that say don't know; those that know don't say.--Buddy Emmons |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 12 May 2007 2:12 pm
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| OK, but let's say our student has the above down pretty good--majors and minors, what can he do to get into less known chords---diminished--augmented--9ths--13th's, ect. AND learn to apply them? What doors will open up musically with this added knowledge? |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 13 May 2007 1:39 am
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Try playing only the 3rds and 7ths of every dom7 in a song without any of the other notes. Then start looking for other places on the neck to play those same intervals as chords. After that start adding the other notes that are handy on the neck and you will bump into your replacement and transition chords in a musical context.
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 13 May 2007 4:37 am
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James, it sounds like you're thinking is on the right tracks (and you're probably a better picker than me).
The 13th is a stack of major and minor intervals, e.g.: C E G B (or Bb) D F# (or F). So, to me, it opens up a rich palette of expression: Em, G or Gm, and even B, played over a C root. Strings 1 & 2 can take you there quickly, and give new possibilities in the context of straight chords.
That, and the sparing use of intervals that Bob suggests, highlighting certain notes of the implied 7th, 9th, or 13th.
My guitar is set up to accommodate the 13th, because it yields many interval choices at a given bar placement.
I think Bob must be a good teacher. If I were in NYC....
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 13 May 2007 5:28 am
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| Hey Charlie, between Tony, Bob, you and I, we can whip the world---well, maybe a county. I kinda figured there are alot of entry level players who might enjoy this sort of information. Perhaps they got alot of this already from six string days gone by. |
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