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Lyle Bradford
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Gilbert WV USA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Apr 2007 3:28 pm |
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| Is a reissue guitar or amp a clone of the original piece or has it just got the name and a few parts of the older piece. |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 10 Apr 2007 3:42 pm
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| Depends. Can be either--no rules. Some Fender reissue amps, for instance, follow the circuitry of the original but update it with printed circuits and manufacturing shortcut etc. Others bear little or no relationship to the original, but rather are just resurrections of the nameplate, like a Chevy Impala. Most guitars, I think, try to be faithful to the original model. |
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William Fraser
From:
New York, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2007 5:02 pm
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Lyle, I just read a review in guitar player of a comparison of the 65 Super vs. a vintage Super. I was intrigued as I got tired of looking & got a new re-issue. I won't re-hash the whole thing ,but both amps scored well & the diff. is mainly in contruction, speakers & wiring,tho the techies can probrably add more. Good reading. Amps  such as Vox need to be looked at a little closer,as only the name remains the same.
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2007 9:02 pm
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Piling on...
"Reissue" means exactly nothing. It could be just the name, it could the the circuit, it could be PART of the circuit, it could be a fairly exact replica. The same is true whether you're talking amps or effects.
If you see the term "reissue" and it's an amp that intrigues you, you simply have to do some solid research and see WHAT it means in that particular case.
Personally, I dislike the term "reissue" that's used on Fender's printed-circuit board, modern-construction versions of vintage amps. They are not the same elctronically nor physically. Only the hand-wired versions come close to what could be considered a true "reissue". However, cost dictates the practice.
One just needs to understand that a "reissue" Vibrolux Reverb is NOTHING like an original - nor is a Twin Reverb reissue the same as a BF Twin Reverb. Wierdly, though, the '64 Vibroverb Custom - which doesn't carry the "reissue" moniker - is close to the original if you ignore (meaning don't engage) the "SRV mods".
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1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 11 Apr 2007 3:52 am
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Gotta go along with Jim here. It breaks my heart to see Fender use the term "re-issue" as an excuse to overprice an item, or as added inducement to the prospective buyer. A "'52 Re-Issue" Telecaster may be a great guitar, but why not call it what it is? It's a "replica," NOT a "Re-Issue." Same with the amps. Some sound good, some not so good, but component differences alone should prevent the term "re-issue."
Funny, I got this same subject on my mind at work last night---Rant over. |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 11 Apr 2007 5:40 am
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Well, my '65 Deluxe reissue is now in the shop with electrical problems two weeks after buying it. And this is my second one in that amount of time.....the first one had reverb problems. I'm not surprised. It's a FENDER.  But then again, the original '64 Deluxe I use is always in the shop as well. I don't know why Fender amps have such a great name....there's invariably something wrong with them, old or new. I watched our guitar player scramble for a replacement amp last summer when his Super Reissue gave up the ghost in the middle of a gig. And the '71 Silverface I had was constantly crackling or buzzing......personally, I think Fender amps have always given their owners a headache.
Carl Dixon had a great post on the old forum in response to everybody crapping on the new Fender amps. He recalled that in the 60's, Fender amps were giving their owners just as much trouble, and he remembered people bringing in their amps for repair, bithcing the exact same stories. There's a vintage vibe with the originals that overshadows the fact that they're just plain unreliable - even with a good tech at hand. I've owned at least 5-6 Fender amps, Black Face, Silverface, new ones, whatever. And they've all been great-sounding pieces of junk.
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2007 1:38 pm
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Wow Chris - I have to disagree with you on that one. I've found that properly maintained Fender tweed/Brown/Blond/BF/SF amps are the most reliable on the planet - one reason (besides the tone) you still see so many being played. In 40+ years of electric guitar playing, the only major problem I had was a burnt power transformer on a '55 Deluxe. Other than that, I've had nothing to fix; just normal service like tube changes, cap jobs and rebiasing. The only on-stage failure was the aforementioned transformer. I've worked on many, many others as well - all normal service (except for a few where caps jobs were neglected and things went awry - but that's operator error).
I *have* had stagehands break tubes, knobs, put holes in speakers, etc - but none of those would be "problems" related to manufacturing. Leo's whole mantra was reliability and ease of servicing, coupled with good tone.
OTOH I can't tell you how many amps I've worked on that had problems - Marshall, Ampeg, Crate (don't get me started on that one) Peavey, Vox...in my experience anyway, Fender's tube amps have been by far the most reliable. About the only ones I can recall on the same level are Hiwatt and Orange as far as build quality.
Edited to add - I'm talking about the hand-wired originals, not reissue PCB amps. Just wanted to clarify.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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