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Topic: Lloyd Greene's knee lever arrangement? |
Keith Hilton
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248 Laurel Road Ozark, Missouri 65721
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Posted 26 Feb 2007 9:03 pm |
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Does anyone know Lloyd Greene's knee lever arrangement?  |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 26 Feb 2007 9:20 pm
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Keith Hilton
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248 Laurel Road Ozark, Missouri 65721
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Posted 26 Feb 2007 9:24 pm
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| Mike, sorry about that. I live in Greene County, Missouri. I suppose that is where that additional e came from. Sorry! |
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 26 Feb 2007 9:32 pm
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Brint Hannay
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Posted 26 Feb 2007 9:38 pm
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I'm pretty sure if I tried to post a setup chart it would come out looking like that!
Probably it will get fixed, so later readers may not know what I'm referring to.* But it brings to mind again a top item on my "wish list" for the Forum: some kind of template for tuning charts (I'm avoiding the word "copedent" on purpose!) that would be easy for the relatively computer-challenged to plug info into.
Maybe even a section could be created for a "Setups Library" where members could post their personal tunings, with perhaps comments on why they have what they have, but not argue about them! (Saving argument for the Pedal Steel section.)
I don't know what's possible, but....
*In fact while I was typing, it was fixed. But previously it was a chart that disintegrated in the translation.
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Mike Shefrin
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Posted 26 Feb 2007 9:43 pm
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Jack Musgrave
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Springfield, Missouri, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 7:22 am
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Keith, I am getting concerned about you. fiirst you bought an Emmons guitar after all these years, and now you are looking at Lloyd's setup. I will sending my freind Donnie Tummons down in a few days to spy on you. inquiring minds want to know!  |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Keith Hilton
From:
248 Laurel Road Ozark, Missouri 65721
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 12:21 pm
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Thanks to Mike and b0b for the setup. If you look at Mr. Green's set-up, it is pretty simple compaired to some others. Never did understand why he didn't lower the 4th string E. Most of the guys who have several knee levers lower the 6th string, I see that Mr. Green does not do this. I never did lower the 6th either, but am considering it now. I really don't know if it would add that much for me or not? Jack, you never know what I am up to. Yes, I bought a used single neck Emmons Legrand II with a pad. It has 3 pedals and 5 knee levers. It has a George L TW pickup, and I am using stainless steel strings. And YES Jack I am dangerous on it! This guitar has a killer sound. I have no plans of selling my Zumsteel. By the way, the 6th string is not returning right and I am having Eddie Lane do some repairs tomorrow. I didn't think I would find a guitar that would top my old Zum, but I think I have found one.
Jack, come over and see it. When you hear the great sound I don't want you to start slobbering. Just kidding Jack. |
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Al Terhune
From:
Newcastle, WA
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 10:13 pm
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On one of the latter songs Lloyd's done, I could have sworn I heard a number of 7 string raises up to the G#.
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Kyle Everson
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Nashville, Tennessee
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 8:10 am
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Keith, I have the 6th lower (full tone) and I like it a lot. It gives you a V chord when combined with the E lower lever, a seventh at the pedals down position (with a B pedal split), and a minor at the no pedals position (with the split). Those are all located on strings 4,5,6.
Al, that was probably a reverse slant. The man is a monster. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 11:12 am
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| Al Terhune wrote: |
| On one of the latter songs Lloyd's done, I could have sworn I heard a number of 7 string raises up to the G#. |
Probably a bar slant. Lloyd Green is the supreme master of E9th bar slants.
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 11:35 am
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Can anybody figure out how Lloyd uses the A pedal F lever combination with the Emmons setup for the pedals (the A pedal on the far left) and the F lever on LKR? It seems so strange that he was the main one to introduce the F lever early on, but he places it on the opposite side of the left knee from most everyone else (except Day setup users, who have it where Lloyd does).
Lloyd's copedant is a great example of how to do more with less. His copedant is one of the simplest of all the pros at his level. And I think it contributes to the purity with which he plays. To me he seems to mostly use the pure and simple chords, both for playing pure and simple, but also in very powerful, complex, and intellectual ways when the need calls. For me that makes his playing seem cleaner and more tasteful and less schmaltzy than some others. He is the antidote for all of us who think we are held back because we can't figure how to get every change we have ever heard of on our instruments. At some point you have to accept that you have everything you need - you just need to learn how to use what you have. |
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Keith Hilton
From:
248 Laurel Road Ozark, Missouri 65721
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 9:05 pm
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Took my single neck Emmons down to Branson to see what was wrong with the 6th string going out of tune. Eddie Lane and I found the problem. Someone at Emmons Company had drilled the cross bar off. This made the cross bar lay crooked, and put the pedal rod where it rubbed on the 2nd pedal mechanism. This meant the 3rd and 6th string were hanging out of tune when I pushed the LKL. Eddie is going to do some grinding down so there is no rubbing. Seems to me Emmons Company should be using drilling jigs so mistakes like this don't happen. Also, there is some pulls put in crooked. These defects will not hurt the guitar after we fix them, but there seems to be some quality control in production problems evident. That is a shame with a guitar that sounds truly great.
I have made the decision not to lower my 6th string. I thought about it for several months. I already have 5 knee levers and 3 pedals on this single neck. For right now I am leaving good enough alone.  |
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