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Andy Sandoval


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Bakersfield, California, USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 10:22 am    
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Is anyone familiar with the Jerry Byrd solos that are available through him? I was wonderin how hard they are. Are they strictly advanced, can an intermediate player handle em, and are there chords to the songs? I realize I'll never play em like he did but it would be fun to try and pick out a few notes here and there.

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Bob Stone


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Gainesville, FL, USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 10:30 am    
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I have bought several and found them to be great learning aids. The chords are indicated in the tablature.

Many have some difficult moves, but in my opinion, they offer a lot to intermediate and advanced players.

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Rick Aiello


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Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 10:43 am    
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I have them all ...

Everyone can enjoy them ... simply by eliminating some harmony notes (slants) ...

As your technique improves ... you can add back the harmony ... if desired ... or come up with your own "versions".

A tremendous resource ...

Here's the current list ... courtesy of Jack Byrd.

Pro Arrangements

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Don Kona Woods


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Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 11:07 am    
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Ditto what Rick says and they are very reasonable for what you get.

Arrangements of this quality are much higher in cost from other sources, but here you get professional arrangements from one of the best. If you want to play like Jerry Byrd get his arrangements down and you will sound sort of like him.

Also, you can get simple arrangements of songs 4 times a year by simply joining the HSGA. See the website for joining.

I would like to see Jeff Ah Hoy do some tablatures for us non-note readers to get that old Hawaiian style going among us Mainland haoles. Let's start bugging him until he does it.

Aloha
Kona
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Andy Sandoval


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Bakersfield, California, USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 12:55 pm    
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Hey cool, and just to make sure they are in Tablature form right?

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Ron Whitfield

 

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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 1:01 pm    
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Good luck on that one Don, Jeff's not a fan of tab
but you never know...
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Jeff Au Hoy


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Honolulu, Hawai'i
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 2:31 pm    
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No, I'm just scared of sacharin.

The beauty of JB's artistry is in the way he moves from note to note... That's one of my beefs with tab--it doesn't show you how to do that. I wish there was some way to show that short of a video tape.

But I guess paired with some good quality recordings, tab is a "best start".

I guess I'll come around eventually. But first I'd like to spend some time doing some R&D on this one... tab that explains the gliss factor. I'm just a stubborn ol' guy.
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Don Kona Woods


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Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 3:28 pm    
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Jeff,Jeff

Please tabs for the disabled.

We, mainland Haoles, want to play Hawaiian style more authentically.
Right, SGF’ers?

I know you will say: Hawaiian style is playing the steel with:

“ Heart and Simplicity”

and I would add with Hawaiian vamps too.

Hawaiian vamps are needed to authenticate Hawaiian music. IMHO

Any way this is a plea in behalf of my musical disability problem, and others who have the same disability, TABS please.

Aloha
Don
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Mike Neer


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Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 3:48 pm    
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“Heart and Simplicity”

Is that really what it's all about? That's not what I hear when I listen to the greats. I hear complexity and skill made to look easy by guys who could really play. Where did all the exciting players go?

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Don Kona Woods


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Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 4:40 pm    
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Mike: Where have all the good players gone?

One is right in our back yard – Jeff Ah Hoy
The successor to David Kelii IMHO

Another is Bobby Ingano –
The successor to Feets Rogers IMHO

Come to HSGA conventions, they are starting to come out of the woodwork.

Simplicity as I define is not simple, but I would define it as a directness of expression or clarity.

Aloha,
Don
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Rick Aiello


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Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 4:40 pm    
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Quote:
Where did all the exciting players go?


Ellicott City, MD ...

I have seen living proof that Hawaiian steel guitar is in fine shape ... Jeff, Bobby, Dave, Mike ... young guys ... they have it in "spades" ...

But guys like me ... who have trouble listening to a song and extracting out the melody ... let alone the chord progression ...

We like to play too ...

I had students in AP Chemistry that had no problem with the mathematics needed ... they worked hard ... but it came "naturally" to them.

Others worked 5X as long and hard to achieve 1/2 the results.

Moral of the story ... that old, tired cliche:

Quote:
You can do/achieve any goal, if you work hard enough


Is simply BS ...

I ain't gonna run no sub-4 minute mile or win the Mr. Universe contest ... no matter how hard/long I train ... and/or gobble up Dianabol.

Some folks just want to enjoy ... what millions of others have enjoyed over the centuries ...

The ability to make music on an instrument ...

And to us ... having the chords and melody of a song written out ... be it in musical notation or tab ... is a blessing.

PS ... And yes Andy, JB's Pro-Arrangements are in Tab form.


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Jeff Strouse


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Jacksonville, Florida, USA
Post  Posted 14 Feb 2005 4:52 pm    
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You can't go wrong with JB's arrangements. I also have all of them, and some I can play, some I play badly, and some I can't seem play at all!

I do what Rick does...leave out some of the harmony notes and more complex slants until I can play them in tune. What I love about tab is it serves as a roadmap. For example, Jerry has Song of the Islands tabbed out in C6th in about 4 or 5 different arrangements...different ways to play the song so one can learn where harmony is on the neck.

There isn't a whole lot of non-pedal tab out there, so I try to grab up all I can get!
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Don Kona Woods


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Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 9:45 am    
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Hi out there to all of you tab lovers.

Responding to Jeff’s post that tabs are a lot like saccharin – I used to hate the taste of that stuff, until I had to go on a restricted diet with sugar. I started using it and you know what it now taste just like sugar and I can’t tell the difference. Is there any moral to the story here?

It was nice to see that Jeff, in doing some reflecting, sees the need that people like Rick and I have. (See Rick’s last post).

In his post he recognizes that he will eventually need to “come around” and start doing some tabs. Here Jeff seems to be expressing his deep empathy for us, the musically disabled that needs tabs.

Remember that being disabled does not mean we can’t do anything. We can make some contribution here and there, but we are in need of help, at least until we can make progress.

For instance Jeff says that linking tabs and recordings would be a good start. I say right on. -

Then there is a problem of how to communicate the gliss factor on tabs:
This can be handles with a series of wavy lines - short, long, etc. leading from note to note, indicating a variety of glisses.

If a video is needed, and it may well be, I would be willing to propose to the HSGA board that the club underwrite this. What a great contribution!!

Lastly, I am glad to know that Jeff likes me. He states that he likes OLD PEOPLE.

Seriously, Jeff is a GREAT TALENT, and he has already made a great impact on all of us, but I predict GREATER THINGS TO COME.

Aloha,
Don
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Rick Aiello


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Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 10:30 am    
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Tab certainly got me started ... but it wasn't till I "figured out" what was goin' on using the Number System ...

That it all started to make sense to me.

Now, if I get tab (like from Bruce Clarke's Hotshots package) ... I convert it to the number system ... then adapt it to my tuning (C6/A7) ...

Same with standard notation ...

I can figure out my own harmonies, improvise (well, not too well but I try) and transpose ...

So even though alot of folks think of tab as "paintin' by numbers" ... and it can be if thats whats desired ...

I see it as just an alternative form of communication ...

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Ron Whitfield

 

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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 10:40 am    
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The cool part about TAB is it's limitations, presuming you know the basic melody at least. And if you don't, you might just write a new song. TA DA!

It's the parts between the notes were you discover and develope your own ideas/style/personality. Per JB.

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Bill Creller

 

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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 11:19 am    
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I have never tried to use tab, it looks "complicated" to me. I have to use notes. Problem is, I cannot seem to find some of the Hawaiian stuff on sheet music.
Of course, after being away from the steel guitar for 40 years, it's hard to get back into the note system, as well as the playing part.
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Don Kona Woods


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Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 12:55 pm    
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The thing that is nice about tabs is that it gives you a basic arrangement.
From the basic arrangement you can improvise to your own liking. Therein creating your own style.

While I could put a semblance of an arrangement together using notes, it would take forever. Furthermore, it might not be a good arrangement. That is why we depend on people who have that gift. So we can sound better.

We share our gifts with each other because we are an ohana of kolohe and akamai kika kila’s.

Does everyone realize that tablature (the number system) predates notes? Hundreds of years ago, musicians did music by numbers. Music by Notes, historically, is a relatively new thing in music history. WE ARE JUST GETTING BACK TO OUR ROOTS WITH TABS (NUMBER SYSTEM).

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Dwayne Martineau


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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 1:00 pm    
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Rick (and Jack), thanks for posting those Pro Arrangements.

I'm not quite organized enough to mail a letter, let alone a self-addressed stamped envelope.

What is "Bruce Clarke's Hotshots package"?

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Jeff Au Hoy


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Honolulu, Hawai'i
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 1:11 pm    
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Rick Aiello


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Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 1:32 pm    
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Hotshots Practice Kit
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Gerald Ross


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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 1:34 pm    
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Nice historic picture Jeff. I like the hair on the palm of the hand. Lot's of repression back then.

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Denny Turner

 

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Oahu, Hawaii USA
Post  Posted 15 Feb 2005 4:02 pm    
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Hmmmmmmm.......; so THAT'S what Marie Laboe saw on my palm when she said "you're cursed"!

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What am I missing here?

I can't think of anything that can be expressed on music staff that can't be identically expressed on tablature. The same timing and inflections can and often are noted below (sometimes above) the tab grid. A staff can also, and often is, provided below tab grids for note, timing and/or inflection notations. Actually, I find tab (staff included) better at expressing guitar music simpler and clearer; Music staff is heck to display positions and movement between them.

Audio recordings have supplemented music notation ever-since audio data was punched into player-piano rolls!

Aloha,
DT~

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Bruce Clarke

 

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Spain
Post  Posted 16 Feb 2005 2:40 pm    
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Denny, have you ever tried to play from tab, a tune that you do not know, and of which you have no recording?
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Don Kona Woods


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Hawaiian Kama'aina
Post  Posted 17 Feb 2005 10:22 am    
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Bruce, I hope that you don’t mind my jumping in on the question.

Your question seems to me to imply either that tabs would be difficult or possibly not worth the effort if you were not acquainted with the song. Is that your meaning?

To me, the most important aspect to playing a tab is that it includes the correct timing. If the correct timing is there, I believe that it can be played.

What has helped me tremendously in learning new songs through tab has been the acquiring of the software program, Band-In-A-Box through PGMusic. The chord progressions and timing help one to hear more clearly the melody in tab.

Aloha,
Don


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