Any Steeler's with a Concealed Handgun License??

[Ray Montee]

Wasn't it in Texas where just a few year ago, a State Legislator that was license to carry, had purposely left her weapon in the trunk of her car and while she was dining in the nearby restuarant, a gunman invaded and shot and killed some 15-16 people.

Her own mother and father died in her arms.

The gunman had to stop and reload several times during which she later admitted, she could have dropped him without opposition.

I'm shocked that so many law enforcement agencies actually suggest one should lock up his/her piece in the trunk of their car when they're visiting one of those ridiculous places that prohibit legally carried weapons......... when EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS that cars are being stolen every 1.5 minutes or thereabouts!

Our very liberal former female mayor stated on local television some months ago, that she was concerned that families attending a basketball or other sporting event, should be able to enjoy the game, free of any fear about having 14,000 guns surrounding them. Yet, one illegally carried firearm is the one that is going to reak havoc.

[John Davis]

They took all our (Legally held) hand guns away in the UK Now its only the bad guys that have them The only "heat" I`m packing now is a Fender Steel King 200 watts of bum notes will see anybody off!!
Sandra and I travelled all over South Texas, we met nothing but hospitality Were we just lucky?? I really don`t know...........

[Alan Brookes]

I hadn't realised I was in so much danger. I think I'll head for the hills and become a hermit.

[Larry Scott]

This works for me

[Roual Ranes]

Used to play a club in Dallas that the guard would loan you a piston if you didn't have one.........said you might need it!

[Gary Preston]

As we all know criminals don't worry about a license of any kind . Thats why they are criminals . So if anyone that is level headed wants to get a concealed carry permit i say go to it . I'm thinking of it myself ! When you are traveling with lots of expensive toys and cash you may need a little help from time to time --hopefully not ! As always ''common sense '' must come into play . G.P.

[David Hartley]

This topic always get a lot of responses don't it? I have shotguns licenced but have a job concealing them!

DH

[Duane Brown]

Here in Nevada you are allowed to carry openly with no permit,but I wouldn't as you'd have a swat team on you if you walk around with a holstered gun. It is legal to carry in your car anyway you choose, but I conceal a 45Win Mag in my work truck so no one sees it.For CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON permits one must have an 8 hour course and qualify with all the guns you want to have on your permit.One must shoot 40 rounds per gun and the instructor signs off before you go to the County Sheriff's office for fingerprints and background check by the FBI. I have been shooting all my life but am glad to have everyone qualify because the safest place to be with some people is in front of their gun. Every county is different, but the D.A. in my county is great where our rights are concerned and has never charged a CCW holder in a shooting. However, if you carry,you must understand and accept the rules-(1)All guns are loaded all the time. (2)Never point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot. (3) Never shoot at anything or anyone you don't intend to kill.
I carry everywhere I go as the Reno area is getting more bandito gangs everyday. When I'm not in the work truck, I carry a .45auto concealed always. My wife carries a 2" 5-shot .357 as she's a realtor and is often out late in bad places. I pray we never have to but we will shoot and kill if necessary. These days you can't afford to be unprepared.A cop may be only minutes away when you have seconds to live or die, and they are not here to protect you anyway.

[Les Anderson]

We have a fellow horseshoe player from somewhere in Wyoming who got caught with two handguns here in BC. One was in his motorhome and the other was in his horsehoe carrying bag. Unfortunately for him, he opened his horseshoe bag right beside another horseshoe chucker who just happened to be a RCMP officer.

Concealed weapons in Canada are a very strict no, no and now this guy and his wife are sitting in a motel room waiting for the courts to release his motorhome and all of his personal possessions.

[Les Anderson]

I hadn't realised I was in so much danger. I think I'll head for the hills and become a hermit.

Take me with you Allan! I don't think I like it here anymore.

[Damir Besic]

Here in TN, it's not a concealed-carry permit. It's a handgun-carry permit. Legally, it doesn't have to be concealed, although it would be courting trouble if not concealed!

true, but I don`t think it would cause any kind of trouble, I`ve seen guy`s at walmart carry Glock`s and nobody really cared.Problem is that a BG can see it too and you don`t have advantage of suprise any more.Most gun fights are done without shooting a gun at all, it`s enough for a BG to see the gun to change his mind...I got my HCP mostly so I could carry my guns and ammo in one bag going to the range,I was too lazy to keep them separate all the time, I hardly ever carry but I do have it in my car all the time...after I got used to it, being without a gun gives me uneasy feeling...


this was my collection before bankruptcy,I lost most of the gun`s and have only couple left...


little Smith 642 in 38. special is what I carry in my funny pack, it is very lite and has no hammer,to me, after years of carrying and being around gun`s ,rhis is a perfect carry gun, I don`t even need a holster for it, if I put it in my pocket I can`t hardly feel it, great little gun..
I love the look of metal and wood, massive guns like Colt Python or S&W 629 44.mag or nice full size 1911`s, but they are heavy and because of that I rarely carryed them, I`m not a big fun of small gun`s but they don`t cause me any discomfort...you know how they say, when you need the gun , .22 in pocket is better than .44 mag on the nitestand at home...

Db

[Damir Besic]

This works for me

nice, my ex took mine from my house while I was at work...$1200 gone...

Db

[Damir Besic]

Colt Python...this was one of my favorite guns, smoothest revolver I ever shot

Db

[Tony Prior]

NC is part of the 32 state CCH permit acceptance .

a tad long but maybe worth it..I even relate some of this to Steel Guitars !

I took the NC CCH Certificate class yesterday which is required for the NC CCH permit.

this is kind of an overview..

By no means can you carry a weapon into a BANK or on GOVT property, as well as all other indicated NON carry locations.

A question was posed above about someone who is 15 feet away coming at you perhaps with a knife, maybe a gun, open or concealed. I learned the short answers to this in our class.

Martial arts is one thing, not everything is handgun related for self protection. But our instructor, a world class competition shooter talked about that scenario, we discussed the issue and even better, how you may be able to avoid it just by always being aware of your surroundings. . This very fast moving scenario is a very common criminal incident. Gas Stations, parking lots( garages) , rear of buildings, area's away from other people...etc..In this instance you are well aware that there is someone 15 or 20 feet away, possible looking suspicious.It doesn't matter .You are prepared and ready should an incident begin to occur. Let the one who is surprised be the thug who all of a sudden learns he picked the wrong target and then runs away. Let the one who is surprised be the thug . Always be aware of your surroundings, always take notice of things around you.

If we walk to our cars, open the the doors, turn our back and pay no attention to the person who is 15 or 20 feet away, they win the moment if they decide to.

Most of the class conversation was based on laws, safety, awareness and preparation. The Instructor stated that once you have crossed over into awareness/preparation you are no longer in the category of complete surprise, unless you choose to be. Kinda like once you learn how to speed pick you are now a speed picker..

A thug makes a decision,it's really a 4 step thought process,it can take minutes are perhaps be as short as 5 or 6 seconds. IF you are alert, you may become very aware that he is in the decision process and you will be behind him in your decision process. He has the initial edge but once you understand the threat of life going down you can skip steps 2 and 3 and go right to step #4. The thug doesn't know this but may find out very soon. Remember this, most thugs may approach with a weapon and threaten your life, but more often than not they have NOT made the decision to shoot yet,they may stall at step 3, shooting comes with emotions and the final thought process. You however can go right from step 1, recognizing the danger to step 4 ,SHOOT. No more thought process required, you are prepared and based on the thugs actions went right to DECISION to shoot. Sure it sounds great , but statistics are on your side.

Many thugs hold there guns up and sideways,yelling at you for your money or whatever, they learned this on TV. This is to your benefit, but they don't know it. If we are trained it will take the thug MORE time to actually go strait arm, point and decide to shoot then it will take you to pull a readied weapon and shoot all in one movement. You have made the decision to pull and SHOOT, he may decide to point and still continue to yell and not yet made the final decision to actually shoot.He or she is very nervous too, don't forget. They may still be at step 3, yelling and threatening and pointing a loaded weapon , but still have not made the final decision to pull the trigger. They are not expecting you to be armed. You are supposed to be an easy target.

Of course, this scenario is very severe but the point is that a trained shooter will understand the immediate situation and go right past a thugs thought process, they don't know you and are not expecting it. They think THEY are in control. Maybe they are..I never want to find out.

The national statistics state the gun fights take from 2 to 3 seconds and average 1 shot is fired. You need to be the one who is skilled in that window of time.

1)decides to take advantage of the surroundings and commit the crime
2)considers using a weapon during the crime
3 holds or aims the weapon and threatens life 4)makes the decision to use the weapon

My neighbor, who carries a 45, was in a store last year held up by two thugs, they waved there guns at the cashier and one person at the counter. They yelled for the cash , the cashier refused to give it to them, they hit her, she still refused and yelled back at them. They cussed her out and ran out of the store. They drew weapons, got to step 3 and STOPPED. Had they been across from a trained shooter it may have ended differently, maybe. My neighbor did the right thing, he took COVER with his son , drew his weapon and sat still. He told me the entire incident took less than a minute with guns waving. A trained shooter with THAT much time can really cause some grief for an unknowing thug brandishing a loaded weapon .

Had the cashier or person held at gun point been a trained shooter and shot both of those thugs given an opportunity of the moment, State laws says they are within there right as they would have been in imminent danger of life. IF and when you decide to shoot you do also have to recognize not only imminent danger but also know that others( jury) will see it exactly the same. Two thugs waving hand guns at a cashier and another person is a no brainer for a jury especially because the other person at gun point is a witness. This is part of fully understanding the situation at hand. Awareness ,preparation and training. I truly believe that if someone even remotely as skilled as our class instructor just happened to be the cashier or the person at the counter with the cashier, both of the thugs would have been shot and killed on the spot while they were mouthing off yelling , they would not have known what hit them. Part of the shock to the thugs is the sound of another GUN going off, everyone, even the thugs duck down from this noise,that puts the 2nd thug in a very bad place to be, ducking from the noise of the 1st thug being shot. His natural reflex to the GUN shot will cause his own demise.

I am not saying every situation can be handled or even prevented but with professional training we can have a totally fresh view of these situations and how to address them. Anyone who is carrying a concealed weapon NEEDS to understand the complete big picture or THEY may end up being the one on the ground after all is said and done.

The main things we all left the class with was these:

The best gun fight is the one you are NOT in, find a way to retreat.

The best way to avoid any situation is to know your surroundings and not put yourself into a situation where an incident may occur.

BUT, if the situation has escalated where you are in imminent danger of LIFE , be trained, be prepared, be focused, act on your reflexes which come from proper training. Most thugs are NOT trained in proper handgun execution, yeah they can shoot and they can make all sorts of noise and threats, but YOU be the one who is skilled and able to make calibrated decisions at the moment. One of the things you will not be doing is figuring out how to draw, point and shoot a readied handgun. With proper training and proper practice, where have we heard that before, drawing, pointing and shooting a readied weapon( if necessary) will be a normal reflex.

One of the things we did on the range , I was not great at this, was to shoot from a READY position ( filled to capacity handgun on the stand in front of you) pick it up, point, aim and fire 5 rounds at the target in less than 2 seconds. We did this maybe 10 times as part of our course and class certificate test. I was though, one of the top in the class for accuracy. I just need to speed it up a bit, actually a lot ! The Instructor told me I shoot like a girl, I waited too long before firing, I did indeed pull off 5 rounds in probably two seconds, but it took me two seconds to begin firing. In this class I did learn enough to take a readied weapon safely from just sitting there to pulling off 5 shots at the target in under 4 seconds. And I hit the center circle every time. Not bad for a Carter owner !

I am nowhere near all this stuff for training and execution, but I now know it exists and my thought process has totally changed. More practice and more training, just like an Instrument.

IF you are going to carry concealed, take a class..it was really fun, folks from all sorts of life, Military, Lawyers, Teachers,Sales( me) etc,

We practice on our Steel Guitars to improve performance, if you are carrying a concealed weapon ,practice using it to improve performance.

tp, sorry to be long...

[Peter Nylund]

This thread made me realize why I will never be a good steel player!

[Mike Ester]

Wasn't it in Texas where just a few year ago, a State Legislator that was license to carry, had purposely left her weapon in the trunk of her car and while she was dining in the nearby restuarant, a gunman invaded and shot and killed some 15-16 people.

Her own mother and father died in her arms.

The gunman had to stop and reload several times during which she later admitted, she could have dropped him without opposition.

You are referring to former Texas State Legislator Suzanna Hupp. The incident happened on October 16, 1991. This was before Texas had a concealed carry law.

This was the shooting that sparked the push for a concealed carry law in Texas.

[Joe Miraglia]

I have never owned a hand gun. Maybe thats why I'm not as good a steel player as some of you. Not very fast on the draw Some of you talk more about your guns than you steel guitars. I do own a ithaca feather weight 16 ga. pump.I used to do some hunting with it. Other than that fired and carried a Carbine in the navy. Thank God never had to use it.Joe

[Tony Prior]

Joe, I doubt we all want to talk GUNS over Steel Guitars, regarding the draw thing, it's not a draw..it's being prepared and trained to take action as quickly as possible. IF someone is going to carry concealed they should know how and understand the issues at hand or like we have heard many times before, you may got shot and killed with your own Gun.

Quite frankly, if someone has a loaded hand gun within arms reach and really knows how to use it, it is very easily picked up and fired several times in the 2 or 3 second window. At minimum, once, and statistics say thats all you need. So it is not learning how to draw, that was for the Cowboys, maybe..it's like sitting down and naturally mashing the AB pedals at the same time, heck we can all do that !

This is the only time I have ever discussed guns in a topic and mostly because it just happened to be at a time when I was going to a class.

Otherwise, Steel Guitars rule the day , as they should !

I do think the topic of Musicians that carry is very good, and it is a good awareness. I recently learned that in a band I was playing with a few years back, two of the players carried concealed, I had no idea.

[Gene Jones]

Tony:

I recently learned that in a band I was playing with a few years back, two of the players carried concealed, I had no idea.

Many years ago when I was young and playing wild clubs in Oklahoma and Texas, I carried a 25 derrnger in a little zipper bag along with my picks and bar. The bag hung from my tuning keys except during intermission when it was in my pocket.

Thankfully, I was always able to resolve some "iffy" situations by other means, so I never had to use it and no one ever knew I carried it.

[Tony Prior]

Good Gene, thank god, because we can talk about it today. The problem with gun fights is that someone gets shot.Thats a real bad day for both parties, worse for one of them.

[Paddy Long]

This is another reason why I am really glad I live in good old New Zealand ...even our police don't carry guns! It must be a pretty sorry state of affairs where you feel you have to carry weapons everywhere just for self protection!!!

[Mike Ester]

This is another reason why I am really glad I live in good old New Zealand ...even our police don't carry guns! It must be a pretty sorry state of affairs where you feel you have to carry weapons everywhere just for self protection!!!

There was a time in London, England when police didn't carry firearms. It's more of a stark reality, instead of a sorry state of affairs.

[Archie Nicol]

Oops! This could get political. Come on over to `Off Topic`, the water's lovely, but murky.

Arch.

[Tony Prior]

This is another reason why I am really glad I live in good old New Zealand ...even our police don't carry guns! It must be a pretty sorry state of affairs where you feel you have to carry weapons everywhere just for self protection!!!

Well that may be so, but here in the USA we have over 300 million people , not all of them want to obey the law, and even worse some want things that don't belong to them and have been known to use force to obtain it.

We don't have to carry weapons for self protection ,our USA constitution and state laws allow us to if we so decide. The majority of the 300 million do not.

This could easily turn political and that is not my intent. Comparing the USA to New Zealand, a wonderful County with a population of just over 4 million, is really not practical.The population of Los Angeles Ca alone is over 9 million .

OF which there are about 14 Steel players !

[Damir Besic]

Wasn't it in Texas where just a few year ago, a State Legislator that was license to carry, had purposely left her weapon in the trunk of her car and while she was dining in the nearby restuarant, a gunman invaded and shot and killed some 15-16 people.

Her own mother and father died in her arms.

The gunman had to stop and reload several times during which she later admitted, she could have dropped him without opposition.

You are referring to former Texas State Legislator Suzanna Hupp. The incident happened on October 16, 1991. This was before Texas had a concealed carry law.

This was the shooting that sparked the push for a concealed carry law in Texas.

if I`m not mistaken, she was hard core anti-gun oriented until the gunman shot all the people and her parents who were at the restoran with her in front of her eyes.Only after that she turnd super pro-gun and is lobbying all over the USA for a pro-gun people...