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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 11:51 am
by David Ellison
b0b, check out these Bob Wills videos with Bobby Koefer (he's got the E13 on the outside neck). The C# note might be there with the A pedal or chromatic, but I don't think you could do stuff like this that way ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VdV5ikcLIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sS5jSbV ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOE4e9YV5Mg
Of course, no tuning is going help you play while looking straight into the camera...
I know I'm not really talking about extended E9 here, but the idea of having all this plus the standard E9 tuning on one neck seems like a pretty cool idea to me...
Posted: 19 Mar 2011 6:25 am
by Drew Howard
WHOA chimes on Blue Prelude!!
Posted: 19 Mar 2011 9:07 am
by b0b
Well, you might not be able to get that exact phrasing, but the notes are all there on standard E9th. The problem with inserting a C# string in the middle of E9th is that it complicates your E9th playing. You have to keep that string under control when the sympathetic vibrations from a simple A pedal lick starts it a-ringing.
If you're already an E9th player, you might find it very hard to skip that string in the licks that you already know. I ran into that when I tried to play the Sacred Steel E7th copedent. I thought adapting to an extra string (D in that case) would be a lot easier than it actually was.
Lastly, I strongly caution beginners against starting out with anything so non-standard. You will want to sit down behind someone else's steel at some point. It will be a challenge if their knee levers are a bit different from yours. If their strings are tuned to different notes, it will be impossible.
Posted: 21 Mar 2011 9:08 am
by Robbie Daniels
I agree with Bob. I have been playing D12 pedal steel since the late 60's and find it to be very rewarding espcially on the lower end of both E9 and C6.
Posted: 21 Mar 2011 4:10 pm
by Mike Pace
Q.4) How many of those extra pedal/lever changes are the same as changes which are on a standard Uni? Which ones?
NONE
Q.5) Tell us what other pedal/lever changes you have:
My copedant for the past couple of years:
LKL 5&10 -1/2
LKV 1 +1, 2 +1/2
LKR 2 -1, 9 -1/2
P0 3,6,11 -1/2
P1 5&10 +1
P2 3,6,11 +1/2
P3 4,5,10 +1
P4 6 -1
P5 7&9 +1
RKL 4&8 +1/2, 12 -1 1/2
RKR 4,8,12 -1/2
I just recently changed the E>F on string 12 over to E>C#.
I plan on changing LKV over to 1&7 +1/2 (I had it on an inside RKL, but the single body didn't allow for me to get at it easy).
Ideally, P4 should be a full Franklin, but I can only get the lowers a couple of cents sharp of their target regardless of what guage string. Even the string 6 lower that's on there right now won't go all the way.....
I'm not really making use of the string 10 raise on P3.
Bb is on my LKL because I like using it in conjunction w/ P0 to get a diminished triad, and I also agree w/ Mike Perlowin about it not being on a vertical.
P5 is a change I haven't seen mentioned here yet. Buddy Cage suggested it to me several years back. With a grip of 7,9 & 12 you can shuck a really brutal dominant chord, but I haven't found much use for it beyond that...
Basically, I'm open to suggestions with P4 & P5, and then some.