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A legacy of Neil Young, David Crosby, bad live performances by Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin circa 1975, and a Humble Pie video would leave anyone cynical, Steve.

I didn't realize there were so many psychoanalysts on the Forum. Did the Ph.D.s make you better players?

Yeah, then there's Madonna.

I can't believe that you folks are actually DIGNIFYING this Juvenile, ludicrous thread with a response of your own. It should have died on the vine half way down page one. I guess that rampant conjecture is prime forum fodder. To each his own. In this case - yours - not mine.

As for Madonna, you're talking about a well-coordinated show with music, not just music by itself. She had songwriters, tight arrangements, could dance, kind-of-sing. What she lacked in songwriting ability she more than made up for in her shows - much like a Broadway show. Not exactly apples-to-apples, but from a "show" standpoint, I'll take Madonna over Cream.

No disrespect to Eric Clapton, but he became a much better songwriter in the 80's and 90's compared to his work in the 60's and 70's. More polished and organized - my cup of tea.

Well...I didn't even know how or want to comment on this one until I saw Larry Miller's pic of Bruce Palmer. For those who may not know, Bruce Palmer was the bassist for Buffalo Springfield and OUTSIDE OF Ms. Kaye and the other Motown contributors, might be the best bass player to make pop records in the 60's. He was a hippie alright...it certainly aided in his demise. But he is was the melodic equivalent of Paul McCartney. His parts were brilliant and had a style...which is much harder to come by than talent, and he had plenty of both!!!!! Thank you Larry Miller for the post.

Richard, maybe you're indignant because some of what I say rings true. People seem to get PO'd when their coveted institutions are judged by the same criteria as those before them. In this case, I'm really only judging the music.

Didn't the Hippies shout a collective "F..Y.." to their WWII parents at one time?

You guys are cracking me up. Do you really think everyone who wore long hair and/or a beard in the 60's was a hippie? Matt pretty well defined the main attributes, or so I thought. Most real hippies wouldn't argue that.

Now, I have to admit I was also a few years behind them, but my sister was NOT. I never shared their music as I turned country in about 1967 at the ripe old age of 11.

Their lasting impact on my life is that I still turn up the 8-track, err I mean MP3 player, whenever Hag sings Okie from Muskogee.

Wow!!! I'm outta here on this one! Now you are knocking Humble Pie??? Videos or not...you didn't see the live performances that I saw. And picking Madonna over CREAM?????? I've got to go shower now and get this thread off of me.

OK, Barry, which CDs should I buy (Humble Pie, Bruce Palmer) that will convince me otherwise?

Someone mentioned Buffalo Springfield's "Questions".

Matt,

If you had been playing music back in the late 60's and early 70's You Too would have had the look and the sound of the day. It was everywhere. It was the norm for young people.

It’s true that some of the music does not hold up well, but much of it does. Much of it was groundbreaking, and it paved the way for the 80’s rock that you like.

It’s hard to accept criticism about an era from someone who was not there, and did not live through it. It’s even harder when the tone of the post is combative, rude, and immature. I would expect this kind of a post from a 14 year old troubled kid, unhappy with his parents, down on the world. This is junior high school stuff.

Madonna over Cream? Beam me up Scotty. Next it'll be The Ohio Express.

Bob, if you want to save the bandwidth, you have my permission to close the thread. A few sensitive people seem more interested in personal remarks rather than the matter at hand. I have to admit it's disappointing since some of these people I actually look up to as players.

For those of you that did respond and made a genuine effort to educate, I really appreciate your contributions. Your posts were helpful and now I have plenty of material to research. Thanks again.

Not yet Bob. Cream could flick Madonna off the stage with their little finger like flicking a booger off the desk.

Kevin
Not to disappoint, but I'm certain Scotty doesn't know who Cream, Hendrix, or Led Zeppelin are.

Oh, wait! Wrong Scotty!! My bad.

The only way that Madonna could have ever shared the same stage with Cream was if she had carried a broom and a dust pan. She was musicly qualified to carry Janis Joplin's Southern Comfort bottle.

Thanks Chris. Bruce was a great player. Jimmy Messina kept it all together. Who ever played it ... it was a great part!

Russ

Come on guys... you know Madonna rules!

True, she could never share a stage with Cream, but she shared a stage with Britney Spears.

She's my hero... what a musician! LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!! Cream could never match Britney. She's Real music, not that sloppy stuff.

Now there you go again, Doug. Raising those issues of "questionable fashion and personal hygiene, flexible mores, other-worldly (read "unproductive") intellectual pursuits, and the overall championing of mediocrity..." I thought that $#1+ ended in the 60s...

I once heard that Madonna sang a note on key in the studio. Guess what. They pitch corrected it.

Ha!!!

Peter Tork talks about Jimi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUxuog3g3pQ

Matt Rhodes wrote:he became a much better songwriter in the 80's and 90's compared to his work in the 60's and 70's. More polished and organized - my cup of tea.

Ha haaaaaa - BUSTED!!
You see - you're confusing your personal preferences with some sort of universal guidelines for what is "good" or "bad" music.

Clapton in the 80s and 90s = your cup of tea.
Clapton in the 60s (and very early 70s) = my cup of tea.

Problem solved - unless you want to keep insisting that my cup of tea is inferior to yours...


Steinar

I remember my first beer too.

I'm with you Steinar. His greatest guitar work was in the 60's as far as I'm concerned. It was artisticly all down hill after that. Some may not agree.

"questionable fashion and personal hygiene, flexible mores, other-worldly (read "unproductive") intellectual pursuits, and the overall championing of mediocrity..." I thought that $#1+ ended in the 60s...

The hippie scourge continues! Those filthy hippies are to blame for all of our problems!