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Doug - I appreciate you explanatin earlier, and I understand better now what you're saying.

Since I never get ticked off, though, I didn't get that part of it. ...no hard feelings!

I will have to say, though, that knowing Dean if he re-synced the stuff and thinks it matches, I'd b hard-pressed to disagree unless soemone with similar experience on both sides of the board can counter that with some proven facts...which is gonna be a tough pull.

And again, I don't think the *ambient* noises have anything to do with the music. He's playing it, but my take is it's with a prerecorded track and .flv-file sync issues.

Dean - are we on the same page - especially where ambient noises match the physical movements bu the music is WAY off?

Doug-

I just synced the other clip, and the fact is, whatever caused the thing to be out of sync in the first place is way worse on this one... it syncs, then it is WAY off sync... it wanders. You can sync up a small segment, but then it skips. So yes, there is a problem, and that problem is that the video sucks. He's playing live as you see it, but the upload is a mess.

Edited to answer Jim:

Jim, I think that the thing probably synced in lurches... at the end, maybe the thing caught up with itself, and finally got real. Someone who knows how this format works could clear it up in a second.

My point is that the player is not pulling a fast one, it's real.

sigh.

the video goes out of sync gradually.

in the very beginning it is in sync.

when the song actually starts, it's about one second out of sync.

by the end of the song, it's about 5 seconds.

the loud sound at the very end that you think is his footstep (his foot is not even in the frame) is him setting his bar down on the steel.

if you watch my video (which can be viewed by clicking on my first myspace link below) you will see the same thing happen. it starts out in sync, but gradually the video gets ahead of the audio.
that's why the guitar is still playing when I reach to turn off the camera.

it's a frustrating phenomenon. it's a lot more frustrating to be called a fake because of that phenomenon.

I think Scott is correct. I think the loud "clunk" heard just before he cuts the camera off is actually him putting his bar down a few seconds earlier. Many clips I have viewed in the past have had varying degrees of "out of sync" between the audio and video. The variable has increased and decreased throughout the clips.

Thanks Jim, I appreciate that!

I don't know what to think. I'm still very skeptical. There are a lot of riffs I hear, but I don’t see him ever go to the right frets, in my opinion.

Meanwhile, check out this guy’s sister! She’s an awesome country singer. What a voice. ----> CLICK

you don't like "pedestrian urban blues" ( and I think many would say that description shows not only disrespect but a narrowminded viewpoint)

-No Jim, thats actually the opposite of what I said. Im outta this thread before i further offend anyone,

Doug, I previewed your featured link above.... You are a sick man

p.s. My daughter has informed me that the first audio/video here is from the movie "Trek".

My daughter plays every instrument except steel and she has also informed me that we should not bicker any longer over this man's efforts. She is also convinced that it is for real and he is a victim of technology gone awry.

I just don't see what some of you are seeing but I only watched the first video only one time and it certainly appears to me that his vibrato is exactly as I am hearing it. I have no doubt that he is actually playing the video live, but as I stated I watched it one time and have not dissected it. It is amazing how little movement a good player needs to play some cool stuff.
Jerry

Jerry Roller wrote:...certainly appears to me that his vibrato is exactly as I am hearing it...

Yeah, that's how I was "measuring" the first clip, too, which made me think he was playing it. The country clip, though, while I thought I was following it, some of it did seem way off, but the synch problem, evidently, can explain it.

If he is playing, it's great that it's sounding like that without any knee levers...interesting...the way he moves from his A/B to his B/C is really good -- better than me...which isn't saying much, actually, LOL! And why that's LOL, is I don't think I could even FAKE that good with the pedals...oh, this has turned out sad...

REMOVED

No I dont dig it because its pedestrian suburban blues. ITS BORING.

"-No Jim, thats actually the opposite of what I said. Im outta this thread before i further offend anyone,"


No Ben, you statement certainly clears THAT up. Errr....wait, just for fun, let's just quote it again so we can show you're right about "opposites":


"I don't dig it" = "I don't like it". (is there another way to interpret that?)

"its pedestrian suburban blues" = "its pedestrian suburban blues"

"ITS BORING" = "ITS BORING"

Errr, Ben - so if you didn't say what you said (and it's still there right now, ahving not been deleted)....did someone else post those things FOR you?

You made the statements - how could you possibly claim your own words are the opposite of what they are? That's just backpedaling right off a cliff.

Jim Sliff said:

apparently you DO NOT like the song, you don't like "pedestrian urban blues"

Jim, I like urban blues...its the SUBURBAN blues i dont like. Thus your quote was actually the exact opposite of what i really said. Correcting you is tiresome...It seems like you dont even read the posts before you launch into your obtuse tirades. Did you read the part where the author of the video apologized for and explained the video compression? and still you argue on for pages is it fake or real?

I am sorry I have offended you with my less than enthusiastic interest in a compressed youtube video of a gary moore cover. You'd do well not to let my musical tastes and opinions ruin your day.

as for the rest of you, give it up...its real.
1. the author said the video is compressed
2. there is no reason to fake such a thing, let alone fake it so poorly
3. the guy owns a purple emmons with stevie ray vaughns autograph glued on it and makes steely moves

amazing thread.

Sorry, I absolutely admit to the omission of "sub".

It changes the intent of my post 0%.

IMO it still is judgemental, disrespectful pigeonholing of music YOU don't like, and if someone made the same comments around here about any more conventional steel playing they'd get crucified.

The "urban" vs "suburban" wording is competely irrelevant ( except for your attempted defense of saying you said the opposite...apparently concerning categories that exist in your mind) - and I defy you to define "suburban blues" without offending players of "blues", which is a term covering a rather large range of musical styles. Have some categorical information from musicologists? I know, "google" it and there will be hundreds of references, lnks to the Amazon "Suburban Blues" category, or the major artists/labels....whoops, nada...).

Are you somehow qualified to decide what music is "good", "bad", or "real" blues based on some sort of geographical placement? I must have nissed you name in the authors of blues history volumes....

Calling something pedestrian and creating your own new musical category to justify your comments is insulting to the intelligence of players of any style. And again - go back and read the previous paragraph; it's a telling observation I doubt too many can disagree with unless they're wearing blinders...or earplugs.

I didnt find that performance interesting or unique enough to bother making a fake of. You assumed incorrectly that i didnt like it because it wasnt country. I then explained to you why i didnt like it. Then you misquote me and call me narrowminded and disrespectful because I dont like something that you do. Too bad. Other than loving the FBB's we are not gonna agree on alot musically i am afraid.

First, I do not believe the player is Russel Cody... he just looked similar and somebody posted earlier it was him. I apologize if I misguided some with my humorous post on the first page.

Second. The poster of the video, is listed as from Switzerland on youtube. The poster and the player do not necessarily need to be the same, but a close up of the door handle and the light switch and power outlet next to it in the "blues'-video do confirm to me that the video was indeed shot in Switzerland.

I do not believe it is a fake. The country video is much more difficult to follow as there is a "sweeping" mismatch of timing between of video and sound. But you can turn off the sound and just watch him play and imagine what it should sound like... it's E9th, we know that because we recognize the playing style, even just by watching.

Is it impressive playing? That's a question of taste... I too think it's pretty simple, but in my opinion it has feel or soul and I feel things do not always need to be complicated or irreplicable to be good music. Also, if you read the comments on his youtube post, you will see that it apparently has been appealing some other (possibly non-steel-) people too, which is a good thing for the instrument IMHO.

As I have a youtube user name, I have taken the liberty of contacting the poster of these two videos to inform him of the ongoing discussion and inviting him over to comment or offering him the possibility to post a statement thru me.

[quote]Hey.
I am J-D. Sauser.
I understand you may be Swiss. I was born in Switzerland myself and that's where I started playing steel for Hank & The Cowhands in the mid 80's in the Rockabilly scene. I later left Switzerland and lived all over the globe, including in the US and have been playing on and off over the past 20 years.
Anyway, you may know there is a steel guitar forum on the Internet at www.steelguitarforum.com
Just recently a thread came up opening a discussion about the the blues video you posted and subsequently the country video. Some like it (including me) some don't, but very quickly questions came up about the timing mismatch of video and sound. Some even theorize about the possibility of the whole thing being fake.
Anyway, I thought it was only fair to inform you of the discussion and if you do not care to join the forum, I would at your option be glad to post your answer (which I can also translate from German or French to English) for you (my username on the Forum is "J D Sauser").

You can reach me directly at: universal_tuning@yahoo.com

Thanks! ... J-D.[/quote]

Maybe we'll get an answer.

... J-D.

Very nice JD, maybe we'll get an answer. Very nicely worded message.

I've been going back and forth on this in my mind, one second, I'm thinkin' fake, the next, real.

The sync is so far off in that second clip that I've just given up and decided to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, especially since some tech savy fellers have split the sound and video and "realigned" them properly.

Some of the stuff I see doesn't seem quite right positionally TO ME, but then again, I am one CRAPPY steel player! It being so badly out of sync doesn't help.

Not that any of this really makes a bit of difference in the long run. It's just a guy playing steel on youtube.

On a side note:

Jim Sliff wrote: The "urban" vs "suburban" wording is competely irrelevant ( except for your attempted defense of saying you said the opposite...apparently concerning categories that exist in your mind) - and I defy you to define "suburban blues" without offending players of "blues", which is a term covering a rather large range of musical styles. Have some categorical information from musicologists? I know, "google" it and there will be hundreds of references, lnks to the Amazon "Suburban Blues" category, or the major artists/labels....whoops, nada...).

That whole paragraph is absolute nonsense.

It was a lot more fun READING this thread than posting my opinion !!

And all I wanted to know was if anyone knew who is the player in the video—I didn’t realize that I was opening a “Pandora’s box.” At times, this thread seems to convey a spirit of the late Harry Hess, but that spririt appears to have waned.

Gary Dunn wrote:And all I wanted to know was if anyone knew who is the player in the video—I didn’t realize that I was opening a “Pandora’s box.” At times, this thread seems to convey a spirit of the late Harry Hess, but that spririt appears to have waned.

Wow, Harry Hess! I miss Harry Hess. He was one of my favorite posters on the board, never afraid to speak his mind no matter who he offended. He was a great guy in my opinion, maybe a little hot under the collar sometimes, but a great guy who was truly dedicated to his dad. It's nice to see him remembered.

I really like Jim Sliff for the same reasons, even though I sometimes disagree with the stuff he says. (I think I mentioned that in an older thread a while back.)

That whole paragraph is absolute nonsense.

Thanks for noticing (seriosuly). The last part was what trurned it into nonsense - I was playing along with Ben's self-proclaimed "blues categories" and the "beween the lines" point is that you WON'T find music defined that way.

It's one thing to profess that you don't care for a particular song - it's another to invent categories (the term HAS been used, but never eched in stone nor really defined) to arbitrarily justify your insult of the video player, Gary Moore, and anyone else who has played tat song - a well known song not exactly "stone age" material.

I'm still waiting for someone to post the same insulting drivel (without at least using disclaimers like "look - this is just my opinion, but..) to an established steel player.

Anyone who does will be an outcast. But yu CAN get away with it if you slam non-steelers, or guys playing outside the norm AND outside the forum.

J D,

Any word from this threads protagonist?

yes,here it is,

hloon wlomg sween steel guitar forum,

om pluf olafsen woulgun donh ughuflod as groden Swetzarland hoolgand.
ufto tufte sfoon spoon houlghumblab,frotl trotl bluff swangen florrengun pfartghoon whalfunson

your,Batiskaf Olafssen Von Apfelstrudel

Michael Lee Allen, I've been a musician most of my life, but I don't believe I know anywhere near hundreds of (other) musicians. I don't believe I even know hundreds of people. As far as "blues" musicians, I wasn't aware there were so many ..... you sure must get around.

Gary, Damir et all... No, I haven't heard from the man with the sunglasses.
I can't understand the text posted by Damir... it is written in none of the 4 official languages of Switzerland. I don't understand it. Appears to me to be some Nordic language, maybe somebody can translate. But the Apfelstrudel last name... Apfelstrudel is an Austrian pastry.

J-D.

As far as "blues" musicians, I wasn't aware there were so many

You ARE kidding - right?

I've probably played with close to a a couple hundred different blues musicians in that traditional hotbed of
blues - Palmdale, CA. Well, a lot of them live in Lancaster and Mojave I think.