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Posted: **4 Sep 2004 2:11 am**

I'm fairly certain he touched the C6 neck every time his arms got tired and he wanted to rest them, LOL!!!!!!

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 2:41 am**

The big deal with Jerry is his music touched the souls of a generation that did not yet know of Buddy, Curley, and the rest. He admitted he wasn't in their League, but still his use of the PSG got them many young people exposed to it. THey would later discover Buddy, and the others.

Just as Chuck Berry had nowhere the skills of Chet Atkins, but is responsible for bring many people to Guitar, who later discovered Chet, and peers.

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 3:39 am**

I am not saying he didn't touch some people just I don't happen to be one of them. Maybe to some people he was great. But then again I am sure we could find some fault with all musicians if we try. I have my taste in music and you have yours thats not to say that either of us are wrong just diffrent. And Kevin you said you wanted to wake this place up. Have a good day[This message was edited by Bill cole on 04 September 2004 at 04:41 AM.]

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 7:20 am**

Yepper, Kevin stirred it up.

I suspect as a kid he liked to throw rocks at hornet's nests.

Still no one answered his question.

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 8:48 am**

Maybe this has already been asked and/or answered, but: for those of us who are not that familiar with the subject, what other specific recordings (besides "Teach") did J.G. play PSG on? Thanks.

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 8:59 am**

I was under the thought that he only did that song. Kevin talk to us tell us more about this great player maybe we will all change our minds.

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 9:12 am**

Tom, The Grateful Dead albums "Workingman's Dead" and "American Beauty" feature quite a few songs with Garcia playing pedal steel. The most well known of these are probably Sugar Magnolia and Dire Wolf.
[This message was edited by Ray Rasmussen on 04 September 2004 at 10:26 PM.]

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 9:32 am**

Jerry played steel on 17 studio Alblums in about 4 years.
New Riders of the Purple Sage
Grateful Dead
Crosby, Stills, and Nash, and their following solo alblums.
Several others.

Go to: http://www.nrpsmusic.com/music/index.html

Enjoy "Dirty Business" for some psychodelic steel ala Jerry G!

Check www.jerrygarcia.com for current and future releases of Jerry G music.
They are releasing a show later this month that I attended when I was in high school.
Cool![This message was edited by Pete Burak on 04 September 2004 at 10:37 AM.]

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 11:46 am**

As I mentioned in an older post,JG played on a song by Steven Stills called changing partners, I think it is some real melodic stuff, a lot of BC pedal stuff, but pretty and appropriate. The song has a really cool time change on the chorus. It is on Steven Stills 2 if anyone is interested. There are many better steel players, who cares. Eric Johnson and Clapton and Satriani and a million other guitarists are better than myself, should I just quit playing? Should I give up on steel too? I'll never be as good as most of the members of this forum? JimP

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 1:02 pm**

He also played on Jefferson Airplane's 1969 release "Volunteers."

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 1:23 pm**

He also worked with Brewer and Shipley. The classic "One Toke Over the Line" is Garcia on steel.

JB

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Posted: **4 Sep 2004 3:35 pm**

A bad Jerry on steel is better than decades of arena rockers skreeching away with a craftsman socket on the ring finger and a shrill Strat.
Mike

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 3:39 pm**

It sure seams like there was a guitar player Jimmy somebody who was into psychodelic music as well are you saying that this Jerry guy may have been a little Psychodelic if so that would probably explain this whole misunderstanding [This message was edited by Bill cole on 04 September 2004 at 09:04 PM.]

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 3:41 pm**

To Jim Peters
Thanks for reminding me about Change Partners---I used to love that song and had no idea that was Jerry on Steel
Brendan

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 5:49 pm**

I don't understand the concept of denigrating a person's art after has died. Calling Jerry Garcia a "psycho" is downright cruel, Bill. You never even saw the man play! What can possibly be the basis for such a statement? You obviously don't know anything about him.

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Posted: **4 Sep 2004 7:53 pm**

Bob I am only asking a question of those who have heard him more then I if you will go back and read I did not make a statement about Jerry Garca I only ask if that was what they were trying to say nothing more And I only said that I had heard about A Jimmy somebody playing psychodelic music. I have no idea what Jerry played. To you and others it may have been the most beautiful music ever written and my opinion may differ which only means we agree to disagree no attach on anyone personaly[This message was edited by Bill cole on 04 September 2004 at 09:30 PM.]

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 9:02 pm**

for those of us who are not that familiar with the subject, what other specific recordings (besides "Teach") did J.G. play PSG on?

In addition to the abovementioned albums, add JG's first -- and self-titled -- solo album (JG PSG on "The Wheel"), as well as "Stella Blue" from the Dead's Wake of the Flood. Maybe some others, too, from those albums -- the latter two songs are just what popped into mind right off the bat...

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 10:33 pm**

You have to watch out on the later Dead stuff-I forget the order of the albums, but by the time Mars Hotel came out, Garcia had put the steel to bed-which was before Wake of the Flood, I think. For instance, Garcia did NOT play the steel part on Pride of Cucamonga from Mars Hotel, which came out in about 73. Flood was after that, so that was probably not Garcia on Stella either, although I'm not home and don't have the LP handy to check.

JB

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Posted: **5 Sep 2004 3:45 am**

The December 1995 Guitar Player magazine has a picture of Jerry playing an MCI pedal steel on the 1987 Dylan and the Dead tour. It's definitely the "fat gray" Jerry, not a misprint. He must have kept dabbling at least a bit. And it's OK for me to call people "fat & gray", I know all about it.

Posted: **5 Sep 2004 6:35 am**

You have to watch out on the later Dead stuff-I forget the order of the albums, but by the time Mars Hotel came out, Garcia had put the steel to bed

Point well-taken, JB. Floodcame out in '73 and Mars Hotel in '74, though, so maybe it may have been Garcia on PSG on Flood after all. I was looking at the liner notes for Flood, and altho the list of side-musicians run the gamut from Vassar Clements to Doug Sahm to Matthew Kelly, no additional musician was listed for PSG, so I simply assumed it must have been JG. (Altho I know what can happen when I assume...

) Whoever the player is, I have to agree with previous posts (such as Joey's): altho Garcia's chops on PSG weren't necessarily anything to write home about (and he didn't), his playing (and Pete Drake's on Nashville Skyline) is what got me hip to steel guitar in the first place, and now Jerry Byrd, Tom Morrell, Dick McIntire, Andy Iona (and others) is what I listen to. Who woulda thunk it?

The December 1995 Guitar Player magazine has a picture of Jerry playing an MCI pedal steel on the 1987 Dylan and the Dead tour..[so]..He must have kept dabbling at least a bit.

Yep, he did intermittently play PSG on the '87 summer tour. I caught the 7/4/87 show at Foxboro Stadium; JG played PSG behind Dylan on "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight."[This message was edited by John Pelz on 05 September 2004 at 07:36 AM.]

Posted: **5 Sep 2004 7:20 am**

Yeah, I missed that tour, didn't come thru where I was. I'll have to listen to Stella again, haven't heard anything but live versions for a long time. It should be very obvious if it's Garcia or not. Cucamonga is obviously not him-whole tone and style is different.

JB

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Posted: **5 Sep 2004 7:59 am**

Garcia on the Wake alblum.
John McFee on the Pride cut.

Posted: **5 Sep 2004 10:33 am**

Ah! Excellent! Thanks Pete!

JB

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Posted: **5 Sep 2004 5:51 pm**

Yeah, Pete -- what JB said: thanks!

Posted: **5 Sep 2004 8:09 pm**

Speaking of John McFee, was anybody else a big fan of Southern Pacific? What a cool band. I have a tape of them from Austin city limits that may be the most flawless performance I ever saw on that show- every single note perfectly placed, excellently crafted songs and stellar playing.
I have to take note of John's post:

altho Garcia's chops on PSG weren't necessarily anything to write home about (and he didn't), his playing (and Pete Drake's on Nashville Skyline) is what got me hip to steel guitar in the first place, and now Jerry Byrd, Tom Morrell, Dick McIntire, Andy Iona (and others) is what I listen to.

This is exactly my point with both Garcia and Robert Randolph...and Pete for that matter! When somebody brings so many folks to the steel fold, where is the mileage in denigrating their chops/style/background/stature? I just don't get it...

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