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Posted: 31 Jul 2003 5:53 pm
by Jody Carver
Hi Guys
I really didnt intend to comment on this,but
from time to time I have looked in at the posts that were posted and feel I should have
something to say that I truly feel is in order here.
Sure this is a community of fellowship,we are
all part of a group of people who feel that people who deserve to be recognized should be
and I fully agree.
Maurice is a fine gentleman and Scotty is a fine gentlemen and both a credit to the instrument we all love.
To take issue with the SGHOF is an open discussion and those of you have vented you're feelings in favor of Maurice is fine
up to a point.
If we look at both sides of the coin we have to think that for whatever reason that exists
that has keep this man from being inducted is
something that none of of will ever know.
I find it difficult to think Maurice was ignored. I beleive the circumstances that surrounded MSA in the past may be only a ghost of the reason,and perhaps there are many other reasons and that we are not aware
of.
If Maurice feels he has been wronged regarding those who supposedly ignored him,then Maurice should stand up and speak out. I have yet to hear anything from Maurice
as to why?. Perhaps he feels that this is not
the way to approach this subject and we dont know that do we?.
I think Maurice is a fine man and I feel that Scotty is without a doubt the most level
minded person anyone would want to know.
But to see the comments made here that were obviously made in a moment of anger hurts all
of this Forum. It hurts the people who are invloved,the nominating members,& the Forum
members who can feel the dislike and disharmony among a group of grown men.
If I were in this situation and hope that I never will be and doubt I ever will rise to
the occasion, I myself would ask the members
to please stop bashing the people on the commitee and let the person,in this case Maurice discuss this with people on the board
of the SGHOF.
I would also be embarrassed no end to feel that all of you people although meaning well have put the pressure on the others you feel have dishonored Maurice.
I myself if I put myself in Maurice's position would feel that it was pressure and not by choice if and when if ever he is indeed nominated and more than likley has been a few times.
Its difficult for me to beleive that a group
of people including Scotty would overlook a person of the magnitude and talent of Maurice
Anderson.
Has it ever come across your mind that Maurice himself may have lost all interest after all that has transpired over the past years possibly has not wanted to be inducted?
I know for my own feelings that it were myself in Maurice's shoes I would not want to be inducted if in fact they dont feel I was capable for whatever reason and I would feel that If I were,it was through force and pressure that made my induction a reality.
This is a sad time for all concerned even those of you who have posted the things I have read here,but I hold nothing against any of you whether you support Maurice or not
But for heavens sake,there are others who feel as I do I'm sure and there are,Why is this
becoming a battlefield? why all the hatred and comments towards those people on the board of nominee's?.
Again,if it were me I would have asked to be
disqualified rather than to feel that peer
pressure was the reason I was elected and inducted.
If those of you who can reach Maurice fine, do so, and if those of you who feel this should be continued fine, do so,but do it by telephone or e mail and not for the world to
see people bashing and things said that may
not be a fact and others will be hurt as a result.
For all we know Maurice himself may have asked "out" a long time ago feeling that Its
just not worth all the bickering.
I'm not an intellect by any means,but I have
feelings for both sides and I have feelings for those of you who have commented as you have. I have feelings for bOb Lee who has nothing he can do to stop this.
He cant close this thread, and yet he has to let it live itself out to the end,because bOb is "dammed if he does" and "dammed if he dont".
Let those invloved, being Maurice and the SGHOF members thrash this out and not be an issue that hurts people as many have been hurt as a result of this thread which more than likely was started with good intentions
but it has got out of hand.
There is an old saying that I learned many years ago as a young salesman.
You may win the Argument,but you may lose the sale as a result.
Let those who are directly invloved resolve
this in private and I think one way or the other it will be.
I think much of both parties and hate to see
those of you say things you said in anger,so
if anything even if I make no sense to any of you,at least give it some thought.
Maurice himself in his heart knows how he feels,let Maurice continue this with those invloved.
Thank You and please dont mis-understand me
I'm not taking sides as there are none, this
is supposed to be a group of people who pull
together. Lets not hurt what the SGHOF means and has meant to those past and present.
I hope you understand my feelings.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 05 August 2003 at 08:11 PM.]</p></FONT>
Posted: 31 Jul 2003 10:06 pm
by Fred Shannon
b0b, I don't want to use up the hard drive, but I think it pertinent, since it was brought up by others to make the following nomination letter available. A similiar letter was dispatched to the SGHOF last year. Neither letter however, initiated a response from anyone there. Letter Follows:
June 30, 2003
To: The Steel Guitar Convention Board
Subject: Formal nomination of Maurice "Reece" Anderson to the Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame. (SGHOF).
1. Name and list the notable artists and bands with whom the nominee has performed and recorded, as well as the duration.
Maurice Anderson has performed and/or toured with all of following artists:
Willie Nelson, Tex Ritter, Red Foley, Ray Price, Merle Travis, Gary Morris, Boxcar Willie, Rex Allen, George Strait, The Gatlin Brothers, Gene Autry, LeeAnn Rimes, Tom Jones, Johnny Smith, Howard Roberts, Louis Bellson, Billy Grey, Barney Kessle, Art Van Damm, Les Paul, Bob Wills, Johnny Gimble, The Legends of Western Swing, Tex Williams, Les Paul, and many others. As one can readily visualize, Maurice Anderson has played and recorded with major artists in nearly every genre of American music; Country, Western Swing, Jazz, Pop, and Big Band.
2. Describe any touring history of the nominee, the length of that touring, and the names of touring bands or artists that he/she has performed with. If the nominee was primarily a club musician, list the names and locations of those clubs and the years spent in club performing.
Maurice Anderson was both a touring and club musician over the previous 50 years as a performing steel guitar player and band leader. He has toured with Willie Nelson, Tex Ritter in the late 1950's, Ray Price, Bob Wills 1963-65, Johnny Gimble on countless dates around the four state area of Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas, several tours to Europe with his own band, many tours with the Legends of Western Swing band, and many others. Maurice was a long time fixture at the now defunct, but famous never the less Longhorn Ballroom in Dallas Texas. Many other clubs, both public and private have been privileged to have Maurice as "The Steel Player" in their bands.
3. Describe the influences the nominee may have had on other players, such as projecting an identifiable style of playing and innovative musical executions. Provide examples of his/her professional expertise, playing prowess, dramatic delivery, etc. and explain how these qualities influenced others to take up the instrument.
Maurice Anderson was a forerunner in introducing the Pedal Steel Guitar into the Jazz arena of American music. He has been the initiator and innovator of the Universal Tuning on this instrument. He both teaches and has improved this tuning to near perfection. Maurice Anderson is known world wide for his prowess on the Pedal Steel Guitar. He continues to promote the instrument to the younger generation at every opportunity. He is the Music Coordinator for the Johnny High Country Music Revue which is performed two nights each week, primarily for the public entertainment, but more importantly providing for the introduction of new talent into the music business, both as players and vocalists. It is one of three such shows in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. Maurice has provided guidance and effort in making the other two very successful also. This younger generation looks up to Maurice as a role model for both his musical and human activity characteristics. There is no generation gap between him and the younger folk.
4. List the nominee's recordings as a side musician with vocal artists and his/her instrumental recordings. Assess those musical productions for their quality, innovation, and what influence such may have had on other steel guitar players. List any compositions that may have become classic recordings (tunes that other players feel compelled to learn and likewise perform)
Maurice has recorded with hundreds of artists, some of whom are mentioned above. He has nine albums of his own which include Jazz, Gospel, Country and Pop. He has recorded utilizing both the pedal steel guitar and has one album using a Boen made lap steel. His versatility on both instruments is unchallenged.
5. Describe the nominee's efforts as an instructor, innovations in teaching methods and notable students who learned from the nominee and also pursued a professional music career. List all other instructional materials published by the nominee and any other writings that advanced the musical performance and/or contributed to the public knowledge of the steel guitar.
Maurice Anderson is recognized as a superb instructor of music fundamentals along with both the lap steel and pedal steel guitars. His teaching ability is recognized world wide. He has students from all over the globe who come to his home in Keller, Texas to study with him. He is, by far, one of the most knowledgeable steel guitar players in the world. His instructional methods are heralded by hundreds. He continues to produce his teaching materials, certainly at a reasonable price, to all who wish them. He has developed new and innovative teaching methods and materials, that rival any and surpass most in the industry. His methods and teaching capability is not limited to beginners, or daily players; many professionals utilize his services frequently. His accessibility to everyone is a marvel. I have never heard one individual who spoke to him via telephone or in person say one derogatory thing about his not being candid, open, and willing to help anyone. He has conducted music seminars all over the world, promoting the steel guitar at each and every meeting.
6. If the nominee has been involved in the manufacture of steel guitars, explain any mechanical innovations and craftsmanship examples that he/she brought to the guitar building industry and/or enhanced the performing capabilities of the instrument. How long was the nominee engaged in this activity?
In 1963, Maurice Anderson, in the company of two other individuals started the MSA Steel Guitar manufacturing business. One of the individuals, now a member of the SGHOF, decided to make another path for himself and the other gentleman passed onto a better place. Maurice remained as the President of the company from it's inception until it's demise in 1983. For almost 20 years MSA was the major manufacturer of the Pedal Steel Guitar in the world, making more instruments than nearly all the other makers combined. At one time the peak output was 2626 guitars per annum. That's over 218 guitars per month. The MSA staff, headed by Maurice, developed a computer controlled machine shop that enabled them to meet this contracted number. The MSA factory in East Dallas was the prime innovator of such machinery. This fact alone allowed the MSA guitars to be built with a quality assurance surpassed by none. Thousands of these guitars are still being played by professionals and amateurs alike. Proof is in the pudding, they did a good job, but Maurice Anderson was the mainstay in the organization. Maurice Anderson never released the MSA Name and the company is now back in business, making an instrument that is the cutting edge of the carbon fiber technology. The new MSA Millennium sales are increasing daily and the guitar is very functional, overcoming several of the disadvantages of a floor played instrument. The new guitar is very light, flexible and is being played all over the world. Maurice was instrumental in the engineering design, logistics procurement, and manufacture of this new instrument.
7. List other activities the nominee has engaged in that advanced the instrument, expanded public knowledge and acceptance of the instrument, or aided in its proliferation. Examples of such activities might include promoting and/or conducting concerts, forming steel guitar clubs, organizing promotional events, producing, writing and publishing, etc. List the continuous years the nominee devoted to these various activities.
Maurice Anderson is a stalwart in the Pedal Steel Guitar world. Some of his efforts leading to all of the items in article 7 follow:
—Maurice is a member of the Texas Steel Guitar Hall of Fame and sits as Board Member in that organization.
—He is a member of the California Western Swing Hall of Fame.
—As this is being written, he has been nominated into the Western Swing Music Society of the Southwest Hall of Fame in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. His acceptance is most certainly assured..
—He has received the Terry Golden Guitar Award in Fort Worth Texas.
—He was nominated as Instrumentalist of the Year for his recording of "Stardust" with the Dave Alexander band.
—He appeared in Willie Nelson's prime movie "Honeysuckle Rose".
—He and his band played many seasons on the hit TV Series, "Dallas".
—He and his band also played on the made for TV Movie, "Dallas, The Other Years."
—He was the Steel Player chosen to take Curly Chalker's position as the Steel Guitar Player on the Ozark Jubilee TV show with Red Foley when Curly departed..
—He was selected to play on the National Televised Musical Show celebrating Texas' 150th birthday which featured many of the nation's top artists.
—Maurice was invited and played for President Reagan's nomination in Washington D.C in the 1980's.
—He has directed and played on hundreds, if not thousands of, recording sessions.
—He was featured as the pedal steel guitarist on the Leeza Gibbons TV show.
—Maurice appeared on national television with Leon Rausch in the Bob Wills Documentary.
—He appears in the Country Music Hall of Fame on the video featuring Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys.
—Finally, Maurice was chosen as one of the artists to play on the very first SGHOF in St. Louis, Missouri.
As is readily apparent to the most casual observer and even to the unknowledgeable in our field, this letter should be indicative of this man's accomplishments and capability. They are well documented, and verifiable.
Maurice Anderson is a highly qualified candidate to be a part of the SGHOF and would bring nothing but credit to the organization. I urge your selection of this man to this prestigious position in our music field.
Respectfully,
Fred Shannon, Hacker
6716 East Robinson Road
Big Spring, Texas, 79720
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If it aint got a steel, it aint real
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 1:10 am
by David L. Donald
I have never tried to "bash" the board members, though I will admit to being overly ironic in another thread, after reading a most likely incomplete but very large list of Reece's acomplishments.
2 points
1. If a person is nominated with all the reqiured prerequisites.
Why should it be needed to be redone each year?
Maybe an addendum for further acomplishments, but I think it should stand from the moment it is presented as meeting those requierments into the future. It is logical, even if renomination is wanted by the board to winnow down the number of nominees.
2. The Baseball HOF inducts multiple applicants. Why not the STGHOF also?
I am not informed precicely, but I have seen no reference to more than one inductee each year.
I don't feel this would diminish the award.
Deserving is deserving, period.
Certainly one living and one passed on wouldn't be unfair.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 01 August 2003 at 02:13 AM.]</p></FONT>
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 1:50 am
by Reece Anderson
Jody C....Your well meaning, kind and considerate comments are appreciated and most certainly warrant a response.
Should you care to extend me the courtesy of contacting me at my personal email address shown on the MSA website, I will be glad to immediately and respectfully respond.
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 3:30 am
by Mike Perlowin
Reece's induction is indeed long overdue. Now that the controversy surroundiong the demise of the first MSA company is being resolved, perhaps he will finally get the honor he deserves.
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 3:40 am
by Jody Carver
Will someone post the MSA website.
Thank You.
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 4:02 am
by Jim Vogan
http://www.msapedalsteels.com/
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Posted: 1 Aug 2003 5:49 am
by bob drawbaugh
It is no secret that at least two members of the board has an ax to grind with Reece. At the start of the MSA resolution emails were sent by these to me and for what reason I don't know. Since I have no input on the resolution nor do I have any personal relationship with Reece. So until these are replaced on the board I have no faith in the board or the process. I can't vote for the Inductee but I can vote not to support the ISGHF or The ISGC. That's my vote, and just like the board can change in the future so can my vote.;(
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 7:14 am
by Buck Grantham
I think he should be in the Hall of Fame if any one is.
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 7:37 am
by Dave A. Burley
I was visiting Henry Ade in late 75 when Henry put on a reel to reel tape for me to listen to.
This was during the period that I was researching steel guitar to pick the players that I wanted on the Cavalcade Of Guitars recorded in Dallas, Texas in 76.
I started to listen and was blown away. I had never heard this playing before.
Henry told me that it was himself. I just couldn't believe it and I told Henry that, although he wasn't a name steel player, he was going to have to be one the the steel players on the session in Dallas,
Henry finally told me that it was Maurice Anderson.
That was my introduction to Maurice. He was contacted to be on the Dallas concert which he did oblige.
One of my very favorites and a big favorite of the jazz guitarists that were also on the session.
My vote is in for Maurice's introduction in the SGHOF.
Thanks,
Dave A. Burley
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 10:28 am
by Jody Carver
Jim Vogan Thank you.
Bob D.
Fred S.
David L.D
Mike P.
Bob D.
Myron L.
Buck G.Dave
Dave A.B
I couldn't agree more whole heartedly with your comments. My comments were meant to help
Maurice and not to cause him any discomfort.
Fred S. I thought that I was the king of long posts but we are tied for that title
Enjoyed your comments.
Thank you all for your support of Maurice and again try to understand my logic.
I hope this resolves itself the way you wish and what is due the person who deserves this
honor and yet not see those on the nominating board taken to task. I feel for everyone who is invloved here. This is a two way street and I'm not made of stone.
Be well and Thanks for posting what you feel
is the right thing to do..and again I do feel
as strong about this delicate subject as all
of you.
David Donald, Gil Hodges the greatest first baseman to ever play for the Brooklyn Dodgers and then manage the New York Mets to its first ever World Championshipin 1969 has to this day been ignored by those who nominate the players that are indcuted in the HOF in Cooperstown NY.
Gil has set and broken many records during his illustrious career,he passed away at age 47 in 1972,and to this day I wonder why he has been ignored. Those who have ignored this man who was a star player and a dedicated family man on and off the field is still not recognized by those who have control.
I am a baseball fanatic and your comments are
right on the money.There multiple players awarded this honor each year, I attend when ever I am able and although I am happy to see those players recieve this recognition,it
makes me wonder why not Gil Hodges?. He is heads above many who are in the Baseball HOF.
Good point there my friend,and thank you for
making that something for people to think about.
"Play Ball"
But please dont root for the NY Yankees.
Edited to say. I played shortstop.
I hope
I didnt make a mistake posting my feelings.
bOb can always "bench me if need be"
Thank you. bOb you can bench me, but dont trade me. On second thought If you traded me
you wouldn't get much in return for me
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Posted: 1 Aug 2003 10:43 am
by Bobby Lee
Fred Shannon wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>June 30, 2003
To: The Steel Guitar Convention Board
Subject: Formal nomination of Maurice "Reece" Anderson to the Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame. (SGHOF). </SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That pretty much answers my question.
I don't understand these folks who are equating the convention (ISGC) with the hall of fame (SGHOF). Boycotting the convention because you disagree with the SGHOF doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. There is no real connection between the two - they are separate things. One is a large event sponsored by Scotty and the steel guitar business community. The other is a small, non-profit organization that meets once a year.
Money gained or lost by the ISGC does not affect the SGHOF. If you don't go to St. Louis, you're just missing out on the greatest steel guitar show on the planet. Your decision not to attend has zero impact on the SGHOF.
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Posted: 1 Aug 2003 10:54 am
by Fred Shannon
b0b I hope that you in no way can read anything into my part of this topic about any boycotting of anything. That is not the way to solve any problems.
The SGHOF factor was and will always be my only rhetoric. The Convention itself never even entered my mind. If I wasn't working those days I would be seated on the front row and visiting every room.
I'm also very proud of most of the posters who have kept most of the flames out of this topic. I plead that all opinions can be expressed fully without any animosity generated between anyone. But one has to admit, this has been very educational with regards to the SGHOF operation--to me at least.
Fred
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If it aint got a steel, it aint real
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 11:04 am
by Jody Carver
Edited..My posts are long enough without my
double posting..Sorry
"Double Play" 4 to 6 to 3....thats baseball talk for short to second to first. "Yer Out".
I mean I'm out,,
thank goodness for these smilies..<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 01 August 2003 at 12:44 PM.]</p></FONT>
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 3:29 pm
by Joey Ace
<SMALL>"In the past, new HOF electees' names have been posted on this Forum well before the convention."</SMALL>
That's true, but since 2001 they have decided it's better kept secret until the announcement at the convention.
b0b is respecting Scotty's wishes by asking it not be leaked here.
I don't agree with the decission to keep it secret, but I do agree that we should respect Scotty's request.
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 5:19 pm
by Mac Bellingrath
I am a relatively new steel player, and I would feel remiss not to say that I was surprised to learn last year that Reece had not already been inducted. I have known his name for many years, both for his playing and the MSA guitar. The Millenium model is just one more of the many reasons why Reece should be in the Hall of Fame.
I was privileged to have a lesson with Reece the Monday after the TSGA show earlier this year. What an eye-opener it was for me! And how modest this master musician is!
When it comes to the highest steel guitar recognition being conveyed to Reece, count me in as one who believes he is richly deserving.
-- Mac Bellingrath
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 6:32 pm
by Craig A Davidson
Without a lengthy post this is all that has to be said;" Reece deserves to be in The Steel Guitar Hall Of Fame, and that's that."
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Posted: 1 Aug 2003 8:13 pm
by kbdrost
I guess I can only agree with Craig.
I admit that I am not aware of the full story surrounding the old MSA; however, I know enough to know that it does not even approach by lightyears the sordid saga of other business failures, past and present. I also know that, whatever happened cannot detract from the undeniable merit that this gentleman has demonstrated under any criteria by which he is judged, including those listed by Mr. Winston. I also would hope, for the sake of the integrity of this institution, that his induction is not barred a technicality related to the lack of a "current" nomination. If that is the case, then I sympathize completely with those who would boycott this institution and anything remotely associated with it, including the convention.
I've seen Reece play several times, most recently in Dallas this spring. He never ceases to amaze me with his innovation and creativity. Without taking anything away from current inductees, there are lesser men already admitted. It is time to give Reece his due.
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Posted: 1 Aug 2003 11:07 pm
by George Keoki Lake
There is not a doubt in my mind that Reece deserves the HOF. His credentials speak for themself.
And you know, there is one other pioneer right here amongst us, (on the Forum), who richly deserves the recognition also. He is a fantastic musician, speaks his mind, makes a hell of a lot of sense and, whenever told how great he is, he is the first to play it down. Everyone on the Forum should know of whom I am referring...it doesn't take a rocket scientist. Just go back into the history of the Fender steel guitar and his name is there for all to see.
Posted: 1 Aug 2003 11:39 pm
by David L. Donald
George that's a good idea to.. and he's too modest to boot.
Gil Hodges & Reece Anderson for All Star teams... works for me.
Jody I remember accidentally being in NYC, before I lived there, when the Mets played Boston for the series. Standing in line at the Blue Note listening to the game on a mini TV on a car roof, I was asked where I was from.. I said Philadelphia... seemed safer at the time.
Sorry off topic.
I will be at the convention, and don't equate going there with perpetuating an untenable situation in the HOF.
I could probably buy another Sho-Bud with the cost of the trip too.
If I bump into a board member, I then have a chance to nicely have my say.
Besides there is too much great steel info to be had there, not to mention the great players to see.
Posted: 2 Aug 2003 9:37 am
by Johan Jansen
Reece should be there!
If not this year, I hope one of the next!
Johan
Posted: 2 Aug 2003 10:32 am
by J D Sauser
I have just finished my re-sub letter of nomination for Maurice to be sent directly from the States to the SG-HOF board upon my arrival on my next trip to Florida in mid August.
As it may not get into the hands of the board in time to be considered at this year's meeting (for next year's inductions), I hope many of those who have voiced their "
vote" and "
count me in" here, will find the time to put up a couple of extra minutes for Maurice and write up their nomination to the SG-HOF board, in acordance with their
rules as posted on their site (click here and scroll to bottom).
Click here to read my letter of nomination for 2000 /
2001
I have received a personal leter from Scotty Sr. in both cases, aknowledging receipt and with his assurance that he would see to it personlly that the board would give it the apropriate atention... so, writing is NOT worthless!
The letter written today is just an adapted version of 2001.
Thanks! ... J-D
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Posted: 2 Aug 2003 10:35 am
by Damir Besic
well,maybe Reece doesn`t wont to be in there...possible?...maybe he really don`t care about being in SGHOF?...what would that bring to him that he doesn`t have already ,money?respect?,he has all of that already and without SGHOF.Maybe it`s SGHOF just something he doesn`t care too much about.
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