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Ha I'm With You Ron Page. P.S. I Missted You At Lexington >ky. Show This Week End. SONNY Or Hank.

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SONNYPRIDDY

Maybe I'm alone, but I think there are a number of steelmen right now that can do what Lloyd does. Trouble is, the producers don't want them! For the mass market, you gotta conform...plain and simple. You gotta play what THEY want, and THEY don't want anything close to old Country sounds.

Steel is certainly a factor in today's recordings, but it's not a major force anymore.

Some time ago, I asked if anyone could give me the name of a "Number 1" song in the past ten years that had a "hot" steel intro.

Nobody answered.

(That should tell you something.)

I don't think the producers know Lloyd from Buddy. There maybe a few, very few who can capture the essence of Lloyd but, none who sounds like Lloyd. These two statements are opinions. This statement is a fact: They don't have Lloyd, Hal, Buddy, Weldon, etc....imitators but, there sure are a lot of Pete Drake imitators.

Bob,
I hear great steel work on "Shiver" by Jamie O'Neal too! It's so haunting and pretty! It's on my buying list. Don't know who it is playing?
Donny, it seems not alot of you guys listen to radio anymore. So many read the forum,yet never respond. I guess they're busy working playing music.
Theresa
<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 05 November 2001 at 11:08 AM.]</p></FONT>

Anyone who's complaining about today's country need just listen to a Britney Spears, or a Marilyn Manson CD.

I said my piece earlier, but Bob Hoffnar's transliteration makes more sense now that I look back.

Teresa, I feel like a heathen because I haven't seen the light with the NCS. Sorry, but you aren't going to badger us into listening or liking... I didn't turn it off overnight. I learned that there was nothing of interest going on there by listening and being dissatisfied for YEARS.

I honestly cannot believe your earlier statement that country record sales are at their highest level ever. There must be one or two heavy weights hogging the sales, because everything I read indicates sales are in the tank.

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HagFan

Ron,
With no disrespect, but how much sales where produced back when your favorite singing was hot?
I never said,"They're at their highest sales".
Theresa<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 05 November 2001 at 03:26 PM.]</p></FONT>

Kevin and Mike,im just saying what I think!!!Can't I give my opinion just like you? By the way I think Buddy Emmons helped
paved the way for the newer cleaner sound
(in my OPINION)you like him don't you!?
-Derek

I meant to put a smile face on there but
I don't know how to get one on there
-Derek

I meant to put a smile face on there but
I don't know how to get one on there
-Derek

Sorry 'bout that
-Derek

<SMALL>Can't I give my opinion just like you? </SMALL>

Absolutely, but that's not to say it will be right!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>By the way I think Buddy Emmons helped
paved the way for the newer cleaner sound
(in my OPINION)</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Buddy Emmons almost single handedly invented "pedal steel guitar" and the sound we have come to love. He is the one who started out with 6 strings on a board, helped design the Sho~Bud Guitar, almost completely designed the Emmons original guitar, showed us that the steel guitar could fit into other types of music besides country, gave us countless licks and runs that are still perpetual, created a style, sound and tone to die for and still had time to find all those different changes we have on our guitars today. So far, there has been no one who has come close to the contributions that Buddy Emmons has made to steel guitar.

<SMALL>you like him don't you!?</SMALL>

Yeah, I guess so!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><HR><SMALL>please give an example of "modern" steel that's had as much impact as "We Could", "Half a Mind",
"Together Again" , "Bridge Washed Out", etc.....
</SMALL><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Few and far between but "Look At Us" just jumps up and smacks me in the face. Are we talking about too much single string work, maybe? <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Larry Miller on 06 November 2001 at 11:55 AM.]</p></FONT>

I remember some time ago,(I stll chuckle when I think about it), someone on the forum commented about some new song that had come out and how terrible the steel licks sounded. It turned out that it was Bruce Bouton. Anyway the first guy tried to get his footing back while also asking Bruce what happened. Bruce said somehting like...It's what the producer wanted.

Theresa,

I wasn't claiming to KNOW the answer, but I have very serious doubts that todays stuff is the top seller in country music history.

This is a only a guess, but I would guess that country music experienced it's largest growth and sales between 1990 and 1995. Perhaps some industry insiders can check the data.

I know I was still well onboard with country radio back then.

Not that total sales matters a hoot to me. I was quite content to support country music as a smaller market. I know that what their buildin', I ain't buyin'.

I don't really want to argue about how "big" so called country is today... My issue is that they didn't have to kill traditional country music. There are, after all, several segments of pop music. Someone might want to consider segmenting and expanding the market.

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HagFan


<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Ron Page on 06 November 2001 at 03:09 PM.]</p></FONT>

Ron,
I'm sure you are right on many of your quotes.
I'm still hearing the traditional sounds on the radio, because I listen everyday. The ones that killed it, are sales. It's no ones fault except the buying public. Alot of businesses go out of business new and old because people don't buy. It's America!
Theresa

Steel players on Jamie O'Neals "Shiver" CD are Dan Dugmore and Paul Franklin.

Theresa: You should have known that!

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Graham,
I don't know everything Thanks, Theresa

Mike,I'm not trying to state a fact in
everything I say!! I'm simply saying what
I think,just 'cause you don't agree doesn't
make it wrong!!!!!
-Derek

It's OK Derek. Just remember, had you been right I would have agreed with you.

<SMALL>I don't know everything </SMALL>

Theresa, I can't believe I'm agreeing with you again!!!!!

Mike, you are actually right about the old steel. It was good. Too bad you're wrong about the new steel though---but that's OK---we all can't be right all the time!
-Derek

It is very clear that some on the Forum like todays country and others think that its not country.There is steel in both.This thread along with others like it will never end because we do not agree.Country music is whatever you like.It can be modern rock with a steel lick here or there that makes you wonder what was that or it can be Buck Owens.So listen to your choice.We will never see eye to eye on this topic.

<SMALL>but that's OK---we all can't be right all the time! </SMALL>

NOW you have the spirit!!!!! Isn't it fun?

Hi All, I am only 33, so I have not heard a lot of the stuff you all are talking about. However, if you listen to stuff by Alan Jackson, George Strait....some of their signature songs have a lot of steel. One beautiful song that comes to mind is George Straits' "I Just Wanna Dance With You". This song has some great classic steel on it. I think if we get stuck in the rut that all steel guitar has to be the traditional ballad sound (whiny,sad etc [which I happen to love too!])we are not gonna be able to promote our intrument. I do think the tone issues are more what the engineer and producers want. I guess what I am saying is...yeah there is bad country. There always has been, always will, but there still is good stuff coming out.
My .02
Danny

Never fails! Every time somebody asks about modern "classics"...sombody mentions "Look at Us". Geez guys! That was almost a decade ago! I think it's about time for another one, don't you?

Anyhow, todays steel sound, or rather...the tone, is not new. Listen to some of Curley Chalker's work back in the '70s. Today's tone is about the same as Curley's (his E9th stuff). Sadly, we never heard him do a whole lot of E9th stuff on records. But he definitely had the "sound" that's so big today, IMHO.