Paris Hilton's new CD

Mike Shefrin · Post by **Mike Shefrin** » 23 Aug 2006 1:49 pm

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Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 23 Aug 2006 3:59 pm

Interesting Frank, that all I did was post a quote by her, I haven't so far posted anything about what I think of her except to say I wouldn't buy her CD, which is a comment on her MUSIC, and you've already presumed to know what I think of her appearance. But I think I'm very lucky too.

Or maybe you were posting to Jim C...? Since there are so many of us Jims here, it's hard to know without a last name or initial.

Anyway, sure I think she's attractive. Guess I'm just an oddball though because I don't fall all over every attractive woman I see. I like a woman to have a nice personality too. It's not necessary that she be a genius although that's great too. I like women with brains, and I don't hold it against someone if they're not super-intelligent either; personality is more important to me than anything else.

OK, let's look at Paris Hilton or at least our judgements of her a little more serioustly then.

It does irk me somewhat though that people are so quick to judge, and they almost alway are VERY quick to make a judgement or choose a side, with very little or even no information at all. Ask anyone what they think about any public figure and they'll tell you how much they like or dislike him or her.

Based on what knowledge? Their press? Without going to far into it, what you hear on TV or other media is nothing.

Ask people if such and such person in the news is guilty of an accused crime or not, they'll almost always give you a yes or no, rarely a "I don't have sufficient information to make that judgement".

Now we're judging whether Paris Hilton is really a brainless bimbo or as some have said, or actually an extremely intelligent dumb-like-a-fox woman who plays the bimbo as an act.

Again I ask what evidence does either side have for making the judgement?

I would venture to say that those who believe PH to be the "dumb blonde bimbo" that she gives the appearance of being, are using more or less the "if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, acts like a duck, it's probably a duck" reasoning, and basing judgement on so many public appearances and statements easily found in news articles online or TV, in which PH certainly seems to be the not-that-bright "somewhat" spoiled young lady that most people judge her to be, on this available evidence.

For the other camp, those who have decided that she must actually be very intelligent and making the most of this "blonde bimbo" act, I would ask, where is your evidence?

I admire people who see the glass as half full rather than half empty and I think that those who say that PH is really intelligent and putting on a big "dumb blonde" act are trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. But again I ask where is the evidence for that she is actually that intelligent?

For one, I would say that her family's financial situation should have guaranteed the best education possible... but education does not equal intelligence... her apparant success in show business could be evidence of a real knack and intelligence for business, or it could be the result of a good manager and promoter, and they certainly have the money to buy the best of whatever's needed...

Even more basic than all that, I have to ask; how does doing a dumb blonde act as a gimmick to achieve fame, by choice, show intelligence in the first place (if it hasn't been unavoidably forced upon them as in the case of many Hollywood stars of the past)?

How can anyone think that an intelligent woman acting like a dumb, spoiled rich-*itch sex toy is a good and intelligent thing to do?

If you believe that anything for financial success is OK and that if it works and that person must be intelligent for having come up with a gimick that made him/her rich, then personally IMO I think you have some warped priorities.

Acting like "dumb blonde" is nothing new, many women in show business have played the role to fame and fortune, but is that good? I won't bother with case histories, it'd be easy but I think it's not even necessary.

Name any blond bombshell-type from any era of showbiz and if you research them you will find that none of them were really dummies, but stuck in a "dumb blonde bimbo" role forced upon them by the higher-ups in the biz, because that image unfortunately suited their fantasies and those of a good many men who for some reason think dumb women are preferable to women with brains.

Back to Paris Hilton and others like her who seem to be not the brightest bulb in the package, you may believe she's actually a very intelligent woman using the dumb act for fame and fortune if you wish to believe it.

I myself would have more respect for someone who really IS not too bright than an intelligent person who is acting like a dummy because they believe that's how to achieve financial success.

Note that I still have NOT said whether I believe Paris Hilton is as stupid as she has allowed or perhaps purposefully made herself appear, or actually very intelligent, because I do NOT know her or know someone else who knows her well enough to really make that judgement.... and I doubt that any of us here do.

But, as the original comment was about her MUSIC, not her intelligence, appearance, or personality, I have only said I wouldn't buy her CD, because it's just not the kind of music I like. If I were offered a huge price to play in her backup band, yes I admit I'd learn to like it.

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Mike Shefrin · Post by **Mike Shefrin** » 23 Aug 2006 4:39 pm

Who cares how I sing!!

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Rick Collins · Post by **Rick Collins** » 23 Aug 2006 7:41 pm

Is Paris Hilton available?

No, I mean are there any vacancies?

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 23 Aug 2006 8:16 pm

Well, dumb or not, she certainly understands what it takes to be famous, (you may recall the Gabor sisters, who were famous for being famous) and given that in today's "pop culture" it seems that being famous is the ultimate "prize". I recall reading a quote from some aspirant in that she wanted to be famous because, "being famous means that you can have anything you want."

So there you have it. No need of having to develop special skills, other than being "camera friendly". Sometimes I can't understand why I thought that it was supposed to be a meritocracy.

Madonna comes to mind and I have to admit, I don't particularly care for what she does, but I admire how well she does it, how well she understands her medium and capitalizes on her assets and strengths while minimizing her weaknesses.

David Mason · Post by **David Mason** » 23 Aug 2006 9:03 pm

Maybe we can dish about Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie's baby next? Say, are any of you guys into Tom Cruise? He's hot.....

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 23 Aug 2006 9:23 pm

No one forced you to read it, David.

Mike Shefrin · Post by **Mike Shefrin** » 24 Aug 2006 5:58 am

Duuuude, like Tom Cruise is like soooo hot
you know....he like rules![This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 28 August 2006 at 05:33 PM.]

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 24 Aug 2006 6:13 am

can we all say GOLDIE HAWN together ...

Paris in my view is doing her thing..her time will pass and at some point she will just resort to cruising the Beaches of the world in her private Jet...

Theres certainly WORSE looking Mega Rich folks doing things that are more questionable.

I don't plan on buying her CD but I don't care tht she has one and is talking about it...I would rather listen to her talk than Tom Cruise any day of the week...

Shes' talking about herself, fame whatever..He's talking about Space Ships and we come from Aliens and such...or something like that...Maybe he watched Mel Gibson in SIGNS too many times..

Paris's comment about Princess Di..well it's bit presumptious I suppose but she is correct..it is her that is all over the Magazine covers, Internet and social scene...

I didn't take her comment as that she should be compared to Pricess DI on a 1 to 1 , but rather only in the Media's current moment. I think she knows she will fade..I think she also knows Princess DI will never fade...

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Mike Shefrin · Post by **Mike Shefrin** » 24 Aug 2006 6:37 am

I agree Tony. That's tantamount to what I said earlier about Marilyn being eternal and Paris being a flash in the pan. True quality is timeless and endures.Those who have it are not forgotten, and those that don't eventually fade into oblivion.You can fool some of the people some of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time....or something like that![This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 28 August 2006 at 05:35 PM.]

Ray Minich · Post by **Ray Minich** » 24 Aug 2006 7:50 am

If I can convince you that everyone else likes what I'm selling, and that maybe you are weird 'cause you don't, and then cause you to buy/subscribe to my product... I've won. It's the KISS paradigm (name after the rock group).

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 24 Aug 2006 7:53 am

Paris, dear, better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid than to open it and remove any doubt.

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David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 24 Aug 2006 8:58 am

She's turned Andy Warhol on his head. She's stretched her 15 minutes of fame indefinetly. She's a complete media creation, and she's learned the knack of periodically coming up with another schtick to keep the media coming back for more. I'm not sure how it started. Does anyone remember? I think she started as a cute rich girl who "accidently" ended up with some porn on the internet. Then she liked the spotlight so much she parlayed that into being famous for being famous. Now we have the music schtick. I think this will keep going for quite awhile - like the Energizer Bunny. She may go down in history as the epitome of famous-for-being-famous. I guess that means she'll be famous for being famous for being famous.

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Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 24 Aug 2006 10:26 am

I guess that means she'll be famous for being famous for being famous.

Well as long as she's famous...!

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 24 Aug 2006 10:45 am

She tried to patent the phrase, "That's hot."

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 24 Aug 2006 1:29 pm

Can you patent a phrase now? I didn't know that was possible.

I guess "that's hot" has as good a chance as "I love it", which McDonalds probably paid mega-bucks to some advertising agency to think up... (McMahan and Tate?)

Chris LeDrew · Post by **Chris LeDrew** » 24 Aug 2006 3:03 pm

Hey Jim,

I don't think it is...........that will show you how on the ball she was when trying to do it.

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 24 Aug 2006 3:59 pm

I'm not sure how it started. Does anyone remember?

Paris Hilton rose to fame by way of a sex video that circulated on the internet. Before that she was unknown. Her meteoric rise to stardom has been a result of media sensationalism, tabloids, trash journalism, and the public’s fascination with this naughty girl Billionaire heiress. She’s laughing all the way to the bank, not that she needs the money. She’s worth more than all of us on this forum put together.

In my opinion she’s nothing special, she’s not attractive …in spite of the breast implants. She’s skinny, not very pretty, and not very well spoken. She’s a jet-setting socialite with no particular talent for anything. It’s a sad commentary on our culture when important events of the day get little to no news coverage, and hours are spent discussing and writing about nothings like Paris Hilton, Tom Cruise, Michael Jackson, and this current idiot who claims to have murdered JonBenet Ramsey, etc, etc… unfortunately the public eats up this garbage, so the media provides it. I’ve come to the conclusion that the average person in this country is not too bright.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 24 Aug 2006 4:46 pm

Well if she seriously tried to patent "that's hot", then I think the question has been answered re. whether the dumb blonde thing is an act or not. NOT.
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chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 24 Aug 2006 4:53 pm

Really, Doug, you've got to get your priorities in order. I can't believe I was worried about the economy....

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 24 Aug 2006 5:01 pm

Thanks Jim, that's excellent!

Doug Beaumier · Post by **Doug Beaumier** » 24 Aug 2006 5:07 pm

chas, yes, I am very concerned about the important issues of the day.
...take my Duck Pluckers post for example. Now there's time well spent

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Mike Shefrin · Post by **Mike Shefrin** » 24 Aug 2006 5:23 pm

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 24 Aug 2006 6:39 pm

FYI Doug, I removed the link cuz... well I'm sure you know why.

Edward Meisse · Post by **Edward Meisse** » 27 Aug 2006 7:58 pm

I can't believe I read all of this. What is the world coming to.