Glen Campbell Arrested For EXTREME D.U.I.
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This being an old topic, I'll stray somewhat though including Pedal Steel Guitar content, (knowing b0b is hopelessly addicted to my postings.. )
DLD. My observations are mostly my own, being from a family for one of borderline diabetics, and/or hypoclycemics, though not being either myself. Mom also has a thyroid condition, which is another similar condition. My uncle drank himself to death in the Minnesota State Prison System. Mom quit years ago on her own. Her sister some years before in AA. Dad and his brother could never "handle" it and never tried. None of my living family drinks at this writing.
The "problem" manifests itself in the liver. When sugar fiends crave sugar, it's the liver that is what is "calling for it". Alcohol is "super sugar" and the liver really wants it. I don't know the biological mechanics, but you sure don't feel like playing your steel when your liver isn't getting something that it wants. ( Steel Guitar Content). Much more when it is used to getting hyper refined sugar ( COOH).
The best way to stop an alcohol craving is a can of pop. You can even feel that old "burning sensation" in your liver. For the first few years I quit I'd pour down as much pop as I did beer. I'd didn't make me feel like wrecking a car.
There are other parts of your body that become dependent on alcohol too. Most heavy drinkers, after quitting ecperience leg pains from new blood vein growth I'm told as your "old system" isn't used to having to work as hard with "thinned blood", or whatever it is. Probably brain functions too. The physical symptoms as called the "heebie jeebies" ( no anti-semitic connotations). Your body makes you feel like there are unfriendly bugs crawling on it. It takes about a year for those to go away totally.
WHen I mentioned the likeness between sugar related conditions, I meant mostly the difference in appearance of them between different people. In diabetes, some are born that way, some develop it at 10, 20, 50 etc, and some people like one of my nonrelated grandparents can drink heavily their whole lives without any "incident".
I drank heavily on and off, ( mostly off) since age 15, with varying degrees of success. I could take it or leave it. About age 20 I started regular maintenance drinking. About age 23 I started losing my self preservation instinct as well as my sense of humor. Should I start "again" I would still be at the last level of intolerance. That much I take on faith.
Mentally, I think many of us develop "soft spots" where our thinking goes into the "red zone" in different areas as some of us get older. Some with politics, some with religion, some with music. Without alcohol, there are internal mechanisms that will compensate and just let a person "mellow out". With it, in a lot of cases, the "mulling" process takes over, and within a short period of time, those "red zones" will not allow us to "let a certain situation go", put down the paper, or just avoid the temtation to call up Aunt Grizzelda and tell her what you think.
Most people have these "tendencies" whether manic, paranoid, schizophrenic, and whatever mine are.
Alcoholism isn't like the flu, hepatitis, MS, ALS, or cancer, anymore than diabtetes is. In the old days the term "affliction" was probably a better term. Not an "illness" or a "disease".
Where I "split" with the AA community were two areas.
One: I continued to smoke pot for a couple years afterward. It never made me lose my self preservation instinct. ( interestingly pot has a heavy blood sugar level connection too). I quit it because of mandatory drug testing in USDOT regs. Once quit, I never really got the urge to risk a prison term after a minor truck wreck 6 months after smoking a joint. I also felt that my "sugar system" was in a better place without it.
Two: somewhere after 15 or 16 years I felt stupid getting up at meetings and introducing my self as "an alcoholic" since Honesty was my ONE thread to my life having been saved, I felt I was being dishonest. I could have called myself "Alcoholic", but it would have been like the "Restoration Semantics" in a group that seemed to demand my admission that I still possessed, or was posessed by the demons of the drunk. I simply decided to live my life alcohol free. From the FIRST day I quit, I had no doubt that I could no longer drink. I am lucky in that respect.
I CAN tell you that the whole process can and does damage one's "self image". No not the hung over kid that can "shake it off" and go back to "living the fast adolescent life", but the seemingly indelible things that YOU see in the mirror, that others mostly can't, and take YEARS for them to not show up to you. Getting through "that period" is what requires YEARS of counselling, or in my case self-forced interaction with others with the same "affliction". No short cuts or magic pil to get your "self respect" back.
I am completely open to myself actually having these "drunken" characteristics, but I find most of my life totally free of them ( except for some of my literary pursuits.. hehehehe) and my PSG compulsions.
In short ( kind of late noww..) I'd easily add "An" to my condition if I found that things in my life were gone wrong on account of "it". Wouldn't hurt me at all.
Anybody interested in the "mechanics of alcohol intolerance" should pick up a free copy of the "Big Book" of AA somewhere and read how "it" hits different people differently. I know it sounds corny, but I care not a whit or a diddle.
The important thing, and what shows in GC's case is that for myriad reasons, one day a person can finally admit to themselves ( and others) that they cannot tolerate drinking alcohol.
It's the simplest of things. No loss of dignity.
However, the way "the world" is set up, it is one of the most difficult.
Alcohol kills more people than heroin.
Most of the autopsies never show it as the true cause either..
Cause of death: Loss of self preservation instinct..?
I'm done now..
That's my story.. as one of my musical friends said...
EJL.
DLD. My observations are mostly my own, being from a family for one of borderline diabetics, and/or hypoclycemics, though not being either myself. Mom also has a thyroid condition, which is another similar condition. My uncle drank himself to death in the Minnesota State Prison System. Mom quit years ago on her own. Her sister some years before in AA. Dad and his brother could never "handle" it and never tried. None of my living family drinks at this writing.
The "problem" manifests itself in the liver. When sugar fiends crave sugar, it's the liver that is what is "calling for it". Alcohol is "super sugar" and the liver really wants it. I don't know the biological mechanics, but you sure don't feel like playing your steel when your liver isn't getting something that it wants. ( Steel Guitar Content). Much more when it is used to getting hyper refined sugar ( COOH).
The best way to stop an alcohol craving is a can of pop. You can even feel that old "burning sensation" in your liver. For the first few years I quit I'd pour down as much pop as I did beer. I'd didn't make me feel like wrecking a car.
There are other parts of your body that become dependent on alcohol too. Most heavy drinkers, after quitting ecperience leg pains from new blood vein growth I'm told as your "old system" isn't used to having to work as hard with "thinned blood", or whatever it is. Probably brain functions too. The physical symptoms as called the "heebie jeebies" ( no anti-semitic connotations). Your body makes you feel like there are unfriendly bugs crawling on it. It takes about a year for those to go away totally.
WHen I mentioned the likeness between sugar related conditions, I meant mostly the difference in appearance of them between different people. In diabetes, some are born that way, some develop it at 10, 20, 50 etc, and some people like one of my nonrelated grandparents can drink heavily their whole lives without any "incident".
I drank heavily on and off, ( mostly off) since age 15, with varying degrees of success. I could take it or leave it. About age 20 I started regular maintenance drinking. About age 23 I started losing my self preservation instinct as well as my sense of humor. Should I start "again" I would still be at the last level of intolerance. That much I take on faith.
Mentally, I think many of us develop "soft spots" where our thinking goes into the "red zone" in different areas as some of us get older. Some with politics, some with religion, some with music. Without alcohol, there are internal mechanisms that will compensate and just let a person "mellow out". With it, in a lot of cases, the "mulling" process takes over, and within a short period of time, those "red zones" will not allow us to "let a certain situation go", put down the paper, or just avoid the temtation to call up Aunt Grizzelda and tell her what you think.
Most people have these "tendencies" whether manic, paranoid, schizophrenic, and whatever mine are.
Alcoholism isn't like the flu, hepatitis, MS, ALS, or cancer, anymore than diabtetes is. In the old days the term "affliction" was probably a better term. Not an "illness" or a "disease".
Where I "split" with the AA community were two areas.
One: I continued to smoke pot for a couple years afterward. It never made me lose my self preservation instinct. ( interestingly pot has a heavy blood sugar level connection too). I quit it because of mandatory drug testing in USDOT regs. Once quit, I never really got the urge to risk a prison term after a minor truck wreck 6 months after smoking a joint. I also felt that my "sugar system" was in a better place without it.
Two: somewhere after 15 or 16 years I felt stupid getting up at meetings and introducing my self as "an alcoholic" since Honesty was my ONE thread to my life having been saved, I felt I was being dishonest. I could have called myself "Alcoholic", but it would have been like the "Restoration Semantics" in a group that seemed to demand my admission that I still possessed, or was posessed by the demons of the drunk. I simply decided to live my life alcohol free. From the FIRST day I quit, I had no doubt that I could no longer drink. I am lucky in that respect.
I CAN tell you that the whole process can and does damage one's "self image". No not the hung over kid that can "shake it off" and go back to "living the fast adolescent life", but the seemingly indelible things that YOU see in the mirror, that others mostly can't, and take YEARS for them to not show up to you. Getting through "that period" is what requires YEARS of counselling, or in my case self-forced interaction with others with the same "affliction". No short cuts or magic pil to get your "self respect" back.
I am completely open to myself actually having these "drunken" characteristics, but I find most of my life totally free of them ( except for some of my literary pursuits.. hehehehe) and my PSG compulsions.
In short ( kind of late noww..) I'd easily add "An" to my condition if I found that things in my life were gone wrong on account of "it". Wouldn't hurt me at all.
Anybody interested in the "mechanics of alcohol intolerance" should pick up a free copy of the "Big Book" of AA somewhere and read how "it" hits different people differently. I know it sounds corny, but I care not a whit or a diddle.
The important thing, and what shows in GC's case is that for myriad reasons, one day a person can finally admit to themselves ( and others) that they cannot tolerate drinking alcohol.
It's the simplest of things. No loss of dignity.
However, the way "the world" is set up, it is one of the most difficult.
Alcohol kills more people than heroin.
Most of the autopsies never show it as the true cause either..
Cause of death: Loss of self preservation instinct..?
I'm done now..
That's my story.. as one of my musical friends said...
EJL.
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"My name is Steve, and I'm an alcoholic."
Several of us have uttered those words(with a different name, of course)believing, with all sincerity, that we were through drinking forever. Boy, I showed them! Admitting my alcoholism was only the first step DOWN. I had a couple more years of hell on earth before I finally stopped drinking. Been sober 18 years now, with no plans to start back. But that could change in the next 10 seconds. And that's what the non-alcoholics don't realize. Sobriety is a condition that must be maintained, and not taken for granted. It would be just as easy for me, or Eric, or any other "friend of Bill," as it was for Glen. The MADD types don't realize the insanity that comes with alcoholism, or any other addiction, for that matter.
If Glen has indeed found Jesus, don't worry about him. He's ALREADY forgiven. And I doubt he needs Ol' Steve to forgive him, although I do feel he should do his penance like a commoner.
But what a picker, huh?
Several of us have uttered those words(with a different name, of course)believing, with all sincerity, that we were through drinking forever. Boy, I showed them! Admitting my alcoholism was only the first step DOWN. I had a couple more years of hell on earth before I finally stopped drinking. Been sober 18 years now, with no plans to start back. But that could change in the next 10 seconds. And that's what the non-alcoholics don't realize. Sobriety is a condition that must be maintained, and not taken for granted. It would be just as easy for me, or Eric, or any other "friend of Bill," as it was for Glen. The MADD types don't realize the insanity that comes with alcoholism, or any other addiction, for that matter.
If Glen has indeed found Jesus, don't worry about him. He's ALREADY forgiven. And I doubt he needs Ol' Steve to forgive him, although I do feel he should do his penance like a commoner.
But what a picker, huh?
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Eric I am glad you have your self together now, very glad. It has been a tough row to hoe, but you are seeing things clearly.
Theresa, I don't find him scary, just brutally honest with a good aim behind it. To wake someone else up who is in denial. Who ever that may be who is reading this.
There is something to be said for scared straight.
I have known many substance abusers, and been one myself too, the perils of running a recording studio I guess. Bad social environment; around it if not in it a lot of the time.
Also my father was an alchoholic, but dried out and finished his days a happy and sober man, and that was before he started a recording studio. He never back slid.
20 somthing years ago I was about to be signed on a big lable after 7 years doing original music with a friend, he suddenly died of natural causes at 28, I didn't recover from that too fast, and was in a poor environment to avoid temptaion at that time.
On the other hand, no vehicle accidents, no DUI's no arrests, no abused girlfriends, no OD's, no AA meetings, I just dealt with it for myself. The end result was just less personal productivity for my time on earth.
I have two long, long term friends who are very sever diabetics. One was recording a guitar solo here and suddenly became really difficult and then obnoxious. Turns out he had under dosed with insullin after dinner and hit 410 on the glucose meter when he went upstairs. He came back his normal self.
The other I was visiting and he missed a shot for an hour, and went down to 23 on the meter and we were pouring sugar milk and and glucose tablets into him for 40 minutes while holding him upright.
he then shot up to 600 2 hours later, but his wife kept it in check.
This is something we just don't have a clue about as normal people. We all take for granted that our bodies will deal with what ever we put in them that isn't labled poison.
It was with the friend hitting 410 here that I decided to try his testing system and see what was happening with my blood sugar in relation to how I felt and how I functioned.
100 is normal by the way.
It was quite enlightening and worth every pin prick for blood without a doubt.
I know know what certain foods and drinks do to my mind and body and over what time frames it happens. I don't need to do this all the time, but if I am suspicious, then I might try a test to see if I am out of balance.
This has a lot to do with what Eric was saying about the liver. It uses sugars to proccess the toxins in our blood streams, and often demands more than our other glands can properly regulate. for some people this is a knife edge between two long falls.
Ok to get on subject again, musicians are in hostile environments if they are sugar intolerant, and maybe Glen has a liver that is making him ruin his life, without intending too.
The best of intentions for this life can sometimes be undermined by our bodies inspite of what our intelegence tells us to do.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 08 December 2003 at 04:19 PM.]</p></FONT>
Theresa, I don't find him scary, just brutally honest with a good aim behind it. To wake someone else up who is in denial. Who ever that may be who is reading this.
There is something to be said for scared straight.
I have known many substance abusers, and been one myself too, the perils of running a recording studio I guess. Bad social environment; around it if not in it a lot of the time.
Also my father was an alchoholic, but dried out and finished his days a happy and sober man, and that was before he started a recording studio. He never back slid.
20 somthing years ago I was about to be signed on a big lable after 7 years doing original music with a friend, he suddenly died of natural causes at 28, I didn't recover from that too fast, and was in a poor environment to avoid temptaion at that time.
On the other hand, no vehicle accidents, no DUI's no arrests, no abused girlfriends, no OD's, no AA meetings, I just dealt with it for myself. The end result was just less personal productivity for my time on earth.
I have two long, long term friends who are very sever diabetics. One was recording a guitar solo here and suddenly became really difficult and then obnoxious. Turns out he had under dosed with insullin after dinner and hit 410 on the glucose meter when he went upstairs. He came back his normal self.
The other I was visiting and he missed a shot for an hour, and went down to 23 on the meter and we were pouring sugar milk and and glucose tablets into him for 40 minutes while holding him upright.
he then shot up to 600 2 hours later, but his wife kept it in check.
This is something we just don't have a clue about as normal people. We all take for granted that our bodies will deal with what ever we put in them that isn't labled poison.
It was with the friend hitting 410 here that I decided to try his testing system and see what was happening with my blood sugar in relation to how I felt and how I functioned.
100 is normal by the way.
It was quite enlightening and worth every pin prick for blood without a doubt.
I know know what certain foods and drinks do to my mind and body and over what time frames it happens. I don't need to do this all the time, but if I am suspicious, then I might try a test to see if I am out of balance.
This has a lot to do with what Eric was saying about the liver. It uses sugars to proccess the toxins in our blood streams, and often demands more than our other glands can properly regulate. for some people this is a knife edge between two long falls.
Ok to get on subject again, musicians are in hostile environments if they are sugar intolerant, and maybe Glen has a liver that is making him ruin his life, without intending too.
The best of intentions for this life can sometimes be undermined by our bodies inspite of what our intelegence tells us to do.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 08 December 2003 at 04:19 PM.]</p></FONT>
In my case, luckily "The Horror" was totally within my own mind. No DUIs violence against others, just a total panic, and realization that I was becoming an embarrassment to my family, and beginning to understand why so many of my friends shot themselves. It had NEVER occurred to me to ask a single person for help in any of my life that I could remember. I remember telling the volunteer on the other end of the phone that one simple sentence, " I need help." and the nightmare was OVER. ( mostly... )I simply took the help that was offered.
I had a buddy in the service from texas. Tex used to get a little drunk from time to time, as most of us did in the barracks, but once in a while Tex would go out an wreck his car, beat up his girlfriend, and ended up doing the "Danny Gatton Screen enforced glass pane punch out". He was getting discharged and in passing, he brought up in conversation, a "thyroid condition". Turns out his "blackouts" happened whenever he ate shrimp (iodine poisoning). He did get to the hospital and get it diagnosed, but he still got a discharge.. Oh well.
Many underlying conditions can be triggered by alcohol use, and certainly overuse.
I look at it this way. It comes from "rotten stuff". That should be the biggest hint right there.
Brutally Honest? Maybe brutally long winded..
I'm very lucky to not have done anything that I am too ashamed of other than wrecking cars and waking up a few wierd places.. Many have, and have a much tougher row to hoe.
Anyhow. Thanks. I'll let up. I know b0b has a total addiction to reading my wandering epochs... He'll eventually get help...... ( ).
EJL
I had a buddy in the service from texas. Tex used to get a little drunk from time to time, as most of us did in the barracks, but once in a while Tex would go out an wreck his car, beat up his girlfriend, and ended up doing the "Danny Gatton Screen enforced glass pane punch out". He was getting discharged and in passing, he brought up in conversation, a "thyroid condition". Turns out his "blackouts" happened whenever he ate shrimp (iodine poisoning). He did get to the hospital and get it diagnosed, but he still got a discharge.. Oh well.
Many underlying conditions can be triggered by alcohol use, and certainly overuse.
I look at it this way. It comes from "rotten stuff". That should be the biggest hint right there.
Brutally Honest? Maybe brutally long winded..
I'm very lucky to not have done anything that I am too ashamed of other than wrecking cars and waking up a few wierd places.. Many have, and have a much tougher row to hoe.
Anyhow. Thanks. I'll let up. I know b0b has a total addiction to reading my wandering epochs... He'll eventually get help...... ( ).
EJL
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Eric mentioned hypo-glycemia and pot. People with this disease must never smoke marijuana.
Hypo-glycemia (as I understand it) is when your blood sugar level is too low (Is this right Eric?) Pot lowers your blood sugar level, thus exacerbating the disease. I've heard stories of people with the disease getting high for years with no ill effects, and then one day becoming violently ill and even having convulsions.
I believe pot should be legalized, but people with this disease need to stay away from it.
Hypo-glycemia (as I understand it) is when your blood sugar level is too low (Is this right Eric?) Pot lowers your blood sugar level, thus exacerbating the disease. I've heard stories of people with the disease getting high for years with no ill effects, and then one day becoming violently ill and even having convulsions.
I believe pot should be legalized, but people with this disease need to stay away from it.
In the short term it raises it. This link explains it somewhat. Mostly fun hating propagandists, IMHO, but good for the specific blood sugar info in the third paragraph.
I always thought it was, ands still do, think it's the most harmless of all drugs. It's just not for me. Too much money, trouble, and just another thing to make sure I have enough of like g# strings..
I know it interferes with the natural dreaming process and when "quitting" I experienced nonstop dreams for about a week.
Still I don't ever remember getting the urge to wreck a car under its' influence, or become unduly depressed, nor did it screw up my hand/eye playing coordination. I did play better when allowed to "focus" without a lot of "static". It made it easier to ignore things that I needed to ignore.
I have learned to ignore things the old fashioned way. I just don't pay attention..
Merr... no. I'm not going to be the first..
EJL <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Eric West on 08 December 2003 at 07:29 PM.]</p></FONT>
I always thought it was, ands still do, think it's the most harmless of all drugs. It's just not for me. Too much money, trouble, and just another thing to make sure I have enough of like g# strings..
I know it interferes with the natural dreaming process and when "quitting" I experienced nonstop dreams for about a week.
Still I don't ever remember getting the urge to wreck a car under its' influence, or become unduly depressed, nor did it screw up my hand/eye playing coordination. I did play better when allowed to "focus" without a lot of "static". It made it easier to ignore things that I needed to ignore.
I have learned to ignore things the old fashioned way. I just don't pay attention..
Merr... no. I'm not going to be the first..
EJL <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Eric West on 08 December 2003 at 07:29 PM.]</p></FONT>
Speaking of bad mugshots-here's another.
Dr Funkenstein got busted again for drugs.
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How much do you have to drink to even get to a 0.20 BAC? I know it depends on body weight, but that's a huge amount of alcohol consumed, if I'm not mistaken...
There seem to me to be two separate issues here: substance abuse in and of itself, and driving drunk or intoxicated.
In the first instance, I feel for someone who has a problem with drink or drugs, and for their friends and loved ones who may have to put up with unpleasantness as a result. However,if you get in your car after falling off the wagon, you aren't just affecting your own immediate circle, and yourself; you are risking other peoples' lives, and that puts you in a different category altogether.
I have all the sympathy in the world for Glen Campbell's struggle with his own demons, but that sympathy doesn't make me any less forgiving for him taking risks that draw the rest of us into his mistakes.
There seem to me to be two separate issues here: substance abuse in and of itself, and driving drunk or intoxicated.
In the first instance, I feel for someone who has a problem with drink or drugs, and for their friends and loved ones who may have to put up with unpleasantness as a result. However,if you get in your car after falling off the wagon, you aren't just affecting your own immediate circle, and yourself; you are risking other peoples' lives, and that puts you in a different category altogether.
I have all the sympathy in the world for Glen Campbell's struggle with his own demons, but that sympathy doesn't make me any less forgiving for him taking risks that draw the rest of us into his mistakes.
Yes, that is a huge amount of alcohol. I'm thinking for a man of Mr. Campbell's size, he'd have to drink at least a case of beer within an hour, or alternatively, pint of hard liquor in the same time period.
Regarding the issue of driving while intoxicated, I think it's unfortunately inextricably tied to the issue of excessive drinking. That is, once a person chooses to drink excessively and does so, they simply don't have the ability to recognize that they shouldn't drive.
In otherwords, when they are sober before they start drinking, they DO have the ability to reason and yet they still make the decision to get hammered while knowing that they'll probably end up driving while hammered.
That's why if you commit some sort of crime while you're high, it's not a defense to say that you were high while you did the crime and therefore you're not responsible.
Instead, you ARE responsible since you made the decision to get high in the first place and you knew or should have known that you could have done something stupid while you were high.
Regarding the issue of driving while intoxicated, I think it's unfortunately inextricably tied to the issue of excessive drinking. That is, once a person chooses to drink excessively and does so, they simply don't have the ability to recognize that they shouldn't drive.
In otherwords, when they are sober before they start drinking, they DO have the ability to reason and yet they still make the decision to get hammered while knowing that they'll probably end up driving while hammered.
That's why if you commit some sort of crime while you're high, it's not a defense to say that you were high while you did the crime and therefore you're not responsible.
Instead, you ARE responsible since you made the decision to get high in the first place and you knew or should have known that you could have done something stupid while you were high.
Speaking as someone with a great deal of experience getting to .20 before I gave it up, let me expound on how that happens.
You can't do it in an hour. You'll barf first, and pass out. The way it happens is this-
Most with an alcohol problem develop a maintenace level of alcohol in their bloodstream-Me in particular. I was a maintenance drinker-always had a beer open. You get to where your "normal" is about .10. Drinkers like me almost never get really smashed, but when we do THEN we wind up at about .20, maybe .25. No normal human could ever ingest that much booze and even be able to walk. You certainly couldn't do it in an hour, like I said it would come back up. You have to just keep at it all day, or all night, THEN you wind up there thinking you can drive to the store. If you got to a BAC that high, by definition, you've got an alcohol problem. You wouldn't be conscious otherwise.
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You can't do it in an hour. You'll barf first, and pass out. The way it happens is this-
Most with an alcohol problem develop a maintenace level of alcohol in their bloodstream-Me in particular. I was a maintenance drinker-always had a beer open. You get to where your "normal" is about .10. Drinkers like me almost never get really smashed, but when we do THEN we wind up at about .20, maybe .25. No normal human could ever ingest that much booze and even be able to walk. You certainly couldn't do it in an hour, like I said it would come back up. You have to just keep at it all day, or all night, THEN you wind up there thinking you can drive to the store. If you got to a BAC that high, by definition, you've got an alcohol problem. You wouldn't be conscious otherwise.
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It truly is a sickness. Glen is a great player but he made that decsion to bend the elbow and therefore shall pay the price. Part of that price started with his exposure upon arrest, wow what a terrible thing to face your self in the morning paper. I am starting my 18th year of soberity after many years of drunk tanks and all that goes with it. I used AA for a while and I was the best quiter in the world, "quit a million times" but nothing worked untill Looked in the mirrow one day and said I give up I can't handle it an more. I dont go to AA because I can't live in the past all the time and if I did follow AA I couldn't play steel because I can't do that in moderation either. Pray for Glen
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Don Jeunette and thanks for letting me be a part of this fourm.
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Emmons D10 8+5 and Session 1000
RETIRED AND STEELIN ALL I CAN. The Steel Guitar puts the pretty in Country
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Thanks
Don Jeunette and thanks for letting me be a part of this fourm.
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Emmons D10 8+5 and Session 1000
RETIRED AND STEELIN ALL I CAN. The Steel Guitar puts the pretty in Country
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I have great respect for all of you who so unselfishly share your painful experiences in an effort to help others. You also take time to educate those of us who are not as informed. Once you've conquered something this monsterous, I would imagine you feel a strong need to help others succeed. David, I very much appreciate your perspective on issues. Eric, your posts are also very enlightening.
I was going to post a picture of the Mona Lisa, since Wyonna does have that mystery "oops-I'm a widdle bit tipsy" smile. But I'm in a serious mood now and it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
Thanks, guys for getting "real".
I was going to post a picture of the Mona Lisa, since Wyonna does have that mystery "oops-I'm a widdle bit tipsy" smile. But I'm in a serious mood now and it probably wouldn't be appropriate.
Thanks, guys for getting "real".
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Sorry, I couldn't resist! Yep, I do think it might be the buzz.
Sorry, I couldn't resist! Yep, I do think it might be the buzz.
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