Posted: 17 Feb 2006 1:02 pm
Nice. Now I need to do some studying.... Thanks Ricky! N.
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Posted: 17 Feb 2006 1:23 pm
My God! That is obscene-ly beautiful.
Posted: 17 Feb 2006 1:32 pm
Man,...thats purttier than a speckled bug!
Gotta love them Buds!
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Posted: 17 Feb 2006 1:55 pm
james or coop i would like to know the difference between the pickups that you put on the guitar as tio the ones that were on it. i don't know the difference. i just don't understand what sounds best on what guitar. i have a msa d-10 ss with supersustain pickups and they are great. so educate me will ya.
Posted: 17 Feb 2006 4:54 pm
It's too subjective what are good pups for what sound you achieve. I'd do a search---there's TONS of info on pickups and tone. What sounds good to you, Jimmie, is the right answer.
I personally am into the old vintage shobud tone--that's what trips my trigger. Luckily, John scrounged up a pair of mint, period correct pups for me. I like my buds to sound like buds. I also have a pair of TT's for this guitar, too, cause Jerry can wind them as close as anybody to "that sound".
I personally am into the old vintage shobud tone--that's what trips my trigger. Luckily, John scrounged up a pair of mint, period correct pups for me. I like my buds to sound like buds. I also have a pair of TT's for this guitar, too, cause Jerry can wind them as close as anybody to "that sound".
Posted: 17 Feb 2006 5:03 pm
another question. do you set yours 2 quarters thickness between strings and pickups or 1 quarter? sorry for all of the questions.
Posted: 17 Feb 2006 7:21 pm
AS James mentioned and is quite noted; it really does have to capture what you want to hear out of the steel; when considering pickups; and I agree.
Now; the tone and voice of the particular steel is there; and what ever pickup is not going to change that tone or voice; but will change/enhance/bring out that voice in the kind of clearity/EQ, that you have set in your brain and can achieve with your gear> with the amount of experience you have developed to obtain that.
I too love the single coil pickups as they seem to respond to my delivery the best and I can get around any kind of inharent single coil hum, on stage and in the studio. Lloyd Green uses a humbucker; because of his delivery he needs and wants in the studio; and he gets the most awesome sound I've heard in his delivery.
So; to compare one pickup to the next is a widely broad comparison; that only the player can actually make with trial.
As for the single coil pickup; my experience says NEVER any closer than the thickness of 2 Quarters(1/8") and mine is set at the thickness of 3 Quarters(3/16")and I love it. The thickness of 1 Quarter(1/16") is/may only be for a humbucker with in a casing/cover; as that cover is at least a 1/16" already.
Jimmy; Education is a good thing to want, but unfortunatly you won't get a broad enough amount of info from just me or James to yeild that in which is something you have to obtain for yourself eventually through trial and error, in what you want to hear. So a little search function here in the pedal steel section is a good thing.
As for original shobud pickups; those were wound with a certain gauge wire and certain diamenter poles back then; and they do offer a certain delivery in vibe; but Jerry Wallace has captured that vibe in his TrueTone made for the Sho-bud..> so if the original pickup is in good shape and the windings haven't gotten loose(microphonic); than either a original or truetone will give about the same delivery. Having a coil tap per pickup is another personal preference in what the player wants to deliver; and cutting the ohms in almost half is to me; another effect, and if one wants that; so be it> just another cool vibe to choose from.
Good luck.
Ricky
<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 17 February 2006 at 07:25 PM.]</p></FONT>
Now; the tone and voice of the particular steel is there; and what ever pickup is not going to change that tone or voice; but will change/enhance/bring out that voice in the kind of clearity/EQ, that you have set in your brain and can achieve with your gear> with the amount of experience you have developed to obtain that.
I too love the single coil pickups as they seem to respond to my delivery the best and I can get around any kind of inharent single coil hum, on stage and in the studio. Lloyd Green uses a humbucker; because of his delivery he needs and wants in the studio; and he gets the most awesome sound I've heard in his delivery.
So; to compare one pickup to the next is a widely broad comparison; that only the player can actually make with trial.
As for the single coil pickup; my experience says NEVER any closer than the thickness of 2 Quarters(1/8") and mine is set at the thickness of 3 Quarters(3/16")and I love it. The thickness of 1 Quarter(1/16") is/may only be for a humbucker with in a casing/cover; as that cover is at least a 1/16" already.
Jimmy; Education is a good thing to want, but unfortunatly you won't get a broad enough amount of info from just me or James to yeild that in which is something you have to obtain for yourself eventually through trial and error, in what you want to hear. So a little search function here in the pedal steel section is a good thing.
As for original shobud pickups; those were wound with a certain gauge wire and certain diamenter poles back then; and they do offer a certain delivery in vibe; but Jerry Wallace has captured that vibe in his TrueTone made for the Sho-bud..> so if the original pickup is in good shape and the windings haven't gotten loose(microphonic); than either a original or truetone will give about the same delivery. Having a coil tap per pickup is another personal preference in what the player wants to deliver; and cutting the ohms in almost half is to me; another effect, and if one wants that; so be it> just another cool vibe to choose from.
Good luck.
Ricky
<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 17 February 2006 at 07:25 PM.]</p></FONT>
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 12:29 pm
Hey Ricky, thanx for the pickup info! I set the blonde bud to 3/16, and it sounds better yet!
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 4:34 pm
ricky i here you guys talk about single coil, humbucker (which i thought was slang) guess not. but mine are supersustain 2 pickups on a msa d-10 classic ss. what are they and what would be the best setting for them to start with or permanant sorry to be so dumb but i won't know unless i ask. thanks jimmie
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 5:16 pm
I'm sorry Jimmie; this is a thread about the Sho-bud.
You might try asking or doing a search for the MSA supersustain pickup....I haven't a clue on that; as I've only had one MSA supersustain here to tweek on and it sounded fine...and don't know what kind of replacement pickup would even mount in it.
Sorry James for the "Off-topic" but Jimmie asked.
Ricky
You might try asking or doing a search for the MSA supersustain pickup....I haven't a clue on that; as I've only had one MSA supersustain here to tweek on and it sounded fine...and don't know what kind of replacement pickup would even mount in it.
Sorry James for the "Off-topic" but Jimmie asked.
Ricky
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 7:03 pm
i understand
Posted: 18 Feb 2006 9:19 pm
I can't believe how EASY this blonde bud to set up! I've been adjusting here and there so I get that perfect "fit".
Did I mention that I have to play this guitar with a mop handy? This guitar just simply SLOBBERS tone!!
That's ok Ricky, Jimmie, top of the forum page, clic on "search", then type in "supersustain pickup", and your off to the races!<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by James Morehead on 18 February 2006 at 09:33 PM.]</p></FONT>
Did I mention that I have to play this guitar with a mop handy? This guitar just simply SLOBBERS tone!!
That's ok Ricky, Jimmie, top of the forum page, clic on "search", then type in "supersustain pickup", and your off to the races!<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by James Morehead on 18 February 2006 at 09:33 PM.]</p></FONT>
Posted: 6 Mar 2006 8:41 pm
New set of Jagwires put on tonight--ready for Dallas. Look for Me 'n Coop, and take this guitar for a spin. Unbelievable action and tone! See Ya'll in Dallas! 
Posted: 7 Mar 2006 1:58 pm
Beautiful!
Looking at the underside, I'm a bit confused...
So this bad-boy now has modern-style nylon tuners at the end-plate that replace those old barrel turners which rotated the entire rod??? -GV<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Greg Vincent on 07 March 2006 at 01:59 PM.]</p></FONT>
Looking at the underside, I'm a bit confused...
So this bad-boy now has modern-style nylon tuners at the end-plate that replace those old barrel turners which rotated the entire rod??? -GV<font size="1" color="#8e236b"><p align="center">[This message was edited by Greg Vincent on 07 March 2006 at 01:59 PM.]</p></FONT>
Posted: 7 Mar 2006 10:00 pm
Actually Greg, your right according to the pics, which show the guitar is 99% done and hooked up. I DO have a couple of pulls that are barrels behind the two hole pullers on the C6th neck, but mostly an all pull guitar now. As you can see in the pics, the pickups are not even wired yet! HA! They are now though, and I've been gigging with this guitar like crazy!
Posted: 7 Mar 2006 10:50 pm
James......... Have fun in Dallas. Wish I was going. Havent been to the home state in a long time. Tell Coop Hi.
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Posted: 8 Mar 2006 6:25 am
We'll "tip one" to ya, Mark!
Posted: 12 Mar 2006 5:18 pm
We "tipped" one to you Mark.
Posted: 12 Mar 2006 6:21 pm
I want to thank EVERYONE who stopped by to visit John Coop and I in Dallas and check out my two "The Professionals". John also had a Super Pro there that he did a conversion on that was STUNNING! But that needs to be another thread--tremendous story by itself!!
I set up BOTH my Shobud "The Professional" guitars, so folks could take a "tone journey" back into early Shobud Steel Guitar History.
I had the '70 blonde guitar set up so folks could see and play it and check out John Coop's fine craftsmanship, and SEE all the conversion parts. I also set up my walnut colored "The Professional" so it too, could be played and feel the difference between the new Coop conversion and the stock "rack & barrel" system that was common in the old shobuds. So you could literally see, hear, and feel the difference between the old-old and the new-old guitars(modernised)!!
The walnut guitar(about a '70--'72?) had a very easy life, so it is amazingly tight and plays awesome! And folks had a great time playing these old vintage Buds. They got to play them through a '71 blackfaced Twin Reverb (non-master volume)head cabinet into one of my Rick Johnson 15" extension cabs loaded with an Altec 418B (original cone) speaker. The tone of BOTH guitars was what many of the veteran steelers heard in the early chapters of their careers, and many of the veterans came and reminised tone for awhile---and we thankyou one and all!
A HUGE THANKYOU TO MR. JERRY BRIGHTMAN/PERFORMANCE GUITARS FOR SHARING HIS ROOM WITH US!! And Chuck Campbell, it was great to meet you, too! You guys are the greatest!! Thanx so much!!
I set up BOTH my Shobud "The Professional" guitars, so folks could take a "tone journey" back into early Shobud Steel Guitar History.
I had the '70 blonde guitar set up so folks could see and play it and check out John Coop's fine craftsmanship, and SEE all the conversion parts. I also set up my walnut colored "The Professional" so it too, could be played and feel the difference between the new Coop conversion and the stock "rack & barrel" system that was common in the old shobuds. So you could literally see, hear, and feel the difference between the old-old and the new-old guitars(modernised)!!
The walnut guitar(about a '70--'72?) had a very easy life, so it is amazingly tight and plays awesome! And folks had a great time playing these old vintage Buds. They got to play them through a '71 blackfaced Twin Reverb (non-master volume)head cabinet into one of my Rick Johnson 15" extension cabs loaded with an Altec 418B (original cone) speaker. The tone of BOTH guitars was what many of the veteran steelers heard in the early chapters of their careers, and many of the veterans came and reminised tone for awhile---and we thankyou one and all!
A HUGE THANKYOU TO MR. JERRY BRIGHTMAN/PERFORMANCE GUITARS FOR SHARING HIS ROOM WITH US!! And Chuck Campbell, it was great to meet you, too! You guys are the greatest!! Thanx so much!!