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Topic: Hawaiian vibrato help? |
Nic Neufeld
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Posted 21 Dec 2017 3:03 pm |
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Wow, I'd never really listened to Joan Baez (nor Ms. St Marie) but yes that "wellllllllll" was...something else. Vibrato like that reminds me of my dear late grandmother singing hymns at her Nazarene church.
Honestly kind of prefer this, in terms of weapons-grade vibrato: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DEoOdcYKbc |
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Chris Templeton
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The Green Mountain State
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2017 3:41 am
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I love Joan Baez... to each his own.
Its the vowels that get the "treatment" ... weeeeeeel ðŸ¤
Last year a paper on Freddy Mercury's vibrato was published ... you can read the absract here .... 7 hz vibrato and throat singing simultaneously .... those guys even filmed a voclists vocal cords and flaps while they produced a vibrato
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https://tinyurl.com/jtv8pdx
The great violinist Ruggiero Ricci was hard core on his views of vibrato ... he espoused the idea that every note be "vibrated" .... even if only one complete
cycle can be prouced on fast notes ...
Another paper was done on the decline of vibrato extent and rate over the last century in music ...
Fascinating ... ain't science grand 😎 |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 22 Dec 2017 4:08 am
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For my taste, here's one of the few times where an excessive, pronounced vibrato is part of the cool, eerie sound signature of both the instrument and the musician - and where each overlaps is hard to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0c7p5geJZs
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Nic Neufeld
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Kansas City, Missouri
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Posted 22 Dec 2017 5:56 am
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The prevalence of always-switched-on vibrato in Western music (and classical in particular) rears its head too when Western musicians try to learn Indian classical. When I started learning sitar that constant vibrato was one of the big faux pas to avoid, if you didn't want to sound like the Western schmuck guitarist who bought a sitar 'cause, George Harrison, obviously. Vibrato as such doesn't even really exist properly in that music, everything that sounds like it is a very deliberate ornament or gamak, and usually the ornamentation closest to vibrato is a slower variety known as andolan. The purity of the note (sur) is so critical that the ideal is a pure, unadorned note perfectly on pitch...superfluous, on-by-default vibrato is held to subtract from that. There are always exceptions but they usually have to do with the complexity of the particular raag. For instance, Raag Darbari always seems to have a certain quaver on the komal Dha (flatted sixth), and something similar on komal Ga (minor third), but the Sa (root) better be spot on, no shimmering on that note. Example if you have an hour to burn  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrfZ8TzY294 |
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Posted 22 Dec 2017 7:07 am
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Don't tread on Buffy! --Her vibrato works better on Universal Soldier, one of my ol' busker favorites.
Anyway, vibrato is a serious thing to learn. John has given me lots of homework on that, but the scientific concepts sort of elude me.
He was kind enough to transcribe Lei Momi from the Hawaiian touch album, and what's helping is that I can hear Barneys bar wavering as the tricone's note dissipates, and that's given me a good idea of the bar speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z68PZiXxYso&list=PL8mAxo754G-lnIyvoamsmq23DWMePrRoN&index=5 |
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