someone calls new country out

LJ Eiffert · Post by **LJ Eiffert** » 20 May 2012 4:34 pm

This New Country Music out here in 2012 is nothing more than 60's,70's Rock N Roll Music that they, " The big shots " from New York,Nashville & L.A. Hollywood call Country Music their new Style of music with some Steel Guitar licks.I don't know how much money you have to pay them to get played on radio,but,all local radio Station here in the United States Of American are control by Big Business money and they ain't letting you in unless you pay the Circle Feed Table.So,it nice when you find a Radio Station who not in that game,but just to play real peoples music. This Business in in everything that goes on in this world.

Uncle = Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. PS; Just tried of the real dead head who keep messing up this Country & World." God Ain't Cheap " and he'll pay them back with they own Davil's love.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 21 May 2012 5:12 am

Yes, it's about selling records to those that buy music!

Joe Casey · Post by **Joe Casey** » 21 May 2012 5:46 am

Anyone still buying Records?? I got a closet full still in the boxes..

....cheap..

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 21 May 2012 6:18 am

Joe,
You're telling you age!

LJ Eiffert · Post by **LJ Eiffert** » 21 May 2012 8:00 am

Joe Casey,to think you couldn't even remember who Dick Clark was! Go dig in them boxes and look at them Artist who Dick Clark made a career for on your records. I'm just proud that Sheriff " Joe " from Arizona is my friend and love's Country Music with Steel Guitar in it.How bout that Billboard Awards Show. It makes you WONDER......

! ........

Is Country Music still alive for us old folks.

Uncle = Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. PS: You just gotta love them new kids who are doing what they are told to do.

Mark van Allen · Post by **Mark van Allen** » 21 May 2012 9:25 am

In line with the topic drift:
Sales of new vinyl releases increased 39 percent in 2011, according Nielsen Soundscan, the entertainment industry data specialist. After peaking in 2000 at 1.5 million copies a year, growth in vinyl sales sputtered before beginning its recent climb in 2008. Vinyl sales set a Nielsen record last year with 3.9 million copies sold.

Independent music retailers accounted for 71 percent of that total, according to Nielsen. So the true number could be much larger as many small retailers and small labels don’t report their sales.

CD sales dropped almost 6 percent last year, the Nielsen report said, and digital downloads increased 20 percent, reaffirming the music industry’s new reality.

Bill McCloskey · Post by **Bill McCloskey** » 21 May 2012 9:48 am

I don't buy anything but vinyl these days. Fortunately, in New York at least there are a lot ove vinyl only stores. Otherwise I listen to spotify. Can't see buying another CD

Ken Morgan · Post by **Ken Morgan** » 21 May 2012 11:30 am

One thing not tracked (impossible) by Neilson, or anyone else:

gig sales

I know that every band I've ever worked with that has bothered to invest in a professionally done, quality produced recording can sell anywhere from 5-250 per show when traveling, with these sales reported absolutely no where. A self contained CD project is really pure profit, and with a production cost of $1/unit and a sale cost of $15/unit, it just makes sense. Sell off the bandstand or what-not, make a big chunk of cash, reinforce your fan database, and never get reported thru sales or airplay agencies.

Really creative folks will even have a download link on the point of sale site, but that's another thread?

Leslie Ehrlich · Post by **Leslie Ehrlich** » 21 May 2012 2:36 pm

I have vinyl records, but I hardly ever play them any more. I don't miss the popping and crackling.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 22 May 2012 3:15 pm

Me either, like whatever!

John De Maille · Post by **John De Maille** » 22 May 2012 6:02 pm

I've been reading all these posts and am perplexed by the whole situation as are most of us. I feel bad about Vince losing his contract, however, I don't think he'll be out of the mix, by any means. The situation, as I see it, is a generational one. There are new younger people controlling the strings, who, are signing new younger entertainers to sell to a new younger generation. It happens all the time in the business world. The problem arises for me, when, I can't hear or get to play the music, that, I've grown so fond of. I started playing music, for money, at an early age. It was during the 60's. We started playing some Beatles and then gravitated to folk rock and some English rock. We were real big on the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Poco. Well, during the middle 70's everything changed. We couldn't get an honest gig, anywhere. I moved into "country" because I loved the sound of a pedal steel guitar (Sweetheart of the Rodeo.. Lloyd + JD ). I found that I could play any night I wanted and being a novice steel player, it was a great opportunity.
But, then again, times started to change and the music did too. My band, locked in the late 70's - early 90's was finding it harder to land a gig. There were many other factors involved in this predicament, less clubs, less drinking, less smoking, line dancers, but, the music was changing and our tried and true artists were being played less and less. The music companies were instilling a new demogragh and we found it hard to accept. We were, are, getting older and the newer ones are paramount now. It doesn't make it right, in my eye, but, none the less, it happens! It doesn't matter how great or diminutive you are, you're going to be effected by the change. In business world terminology, it is what it is. You either roll with the flow and embrace it or you keep playing the music that you like and hope you can, until you can't. I'm stuck in a rut with my musical likes and that's OK with me. I was never meant to be an icon, so, I'll just follow the ones that have influenced me and hope they continue to make the music I like, no matter how small the venue or obscure the record label.

Ken Morgan · Post by **Ken Morgan** » 23 May 2012 3:40 am

John, that's a great post...

I was talking with a friend (my age, stupidly talented musician from another genre) the other day about this very topic...his words kind of explain it all:

"Young people just cannot play music from the previous generation, so instead they invent their own and make fun of the old stuff in the process. Older musicians can play just about anything, but they usually choose not to. Where the money is gonna be next year is where the labels are thinking."

In the meantime, I make no qualms about making and selling the best buggy whips I can muster.

Clyde Mattocks · Post by **Clyde Mattocks** » 23 May 2012 7:33 am

If you go to bluegrass festivals, you see young people playing the music of the previous generation and of generations before that. Besides that, you hear new great songs being performed (ie: Josh Williams' " Old Brown Suitcase" and "Mordecai"). I'm not advocating everyone embrace this music, it's just that this genre exists and thrives outside of the current music business model. The bulk of the bluegrass music being performed today is easily recognizable as the same genre that existed 60 years ago. I expect the main reason is they didn't pull their roots up out of the ground.

Bill Hatcher · Post by **Bill Hatcher** » 24 May 2012 6:08 am

vince is great, but i think he is into some sour grapes here. i checked out his video..."im a guitar slinger, turn girls on with one finger"....duh...thats some real butt level intellect stuff. yep hes part of the machine no matter what he says.

he needs to just smile and be nice and live on his laurels and do some shows and recordings and let the dog hunt.

Kevin Hatton · Post by **Kevin Hatton** » 24 May 2012 9:45 am

Yeah, sit down and shut up Vince. Duh! It's time Brad Paisley opened his mouth and said something rather than sitting in the corner and counting his money.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 24 May 2012 11:03 am

I think "Guitar Slinger" was up for a grammy. Regardless, I think Vince has been part of the machine and would love for it to go back more traditional.

Brad is the machine with sales and draw power with the youth today. His singing and playing leaves me cold. Randle Curry is why I'll listen.

Zachary Walters · Post by **Zachary Walters** » 24 May 2012 11:36 am

It's tough not to sound like an anti-free market radical on this one, but if you treat music like a business it will always evolve away from what you developed a taste for as a younger person. Especially after each new Pop sensation comes along... much of the other genres are inextricably tied to what happens in the Pop world. Then, especially with the idealism if young adults, like when I was playing punk and metal in the 90s, you get "scenes" where people start calling each other out if they start to smell a little marketable. Haters, as they say.

What fosters the right environment is that delicate space in between. Maybe sacrificing some youth appeal for some admirable or impressive creativity. Just my two cents, because I'm only a musician and a businessman, but I've never tried both together.

Dave Hopping · Post by **Dave Hopping** » 24 May 2012 12:12 pm

To draw an analogy or two from the Sixties and Seventies,"New Country" is Chicago Transit Authority/Crosby,Stills & Nash."Classic Country" is Lawrence Welk/The Four Freshman.The new is 90% hormones,10% music;the classic reverses those ratios.

Theresa Galbraith · Post by **Theresa Galbraith** » 24 May 2012 3:50 pm

Time tells all.

Leslie Ehrlich · Post by **Leslie Ehrlich** » 24 May 2012 8:35 pm

Clyde Mattocks wrote:If you go to bluegrass festivals, you see young people playing the music of the previous generation and of generations before that. Besides that, you hear new great songs being performed (ie: Josh Williams' " Old Brown Suitcase" and "Mordecai"). I'm not advocating everyone embrace this music, it's just that this genre exists and thrives outside of the current music business model. The bulk of the bluegrass music being performed today is easily recognizable as the same genre that existed 60 years ago. I expect the main reason is they didn't pull their roots up out of the ground.

Good point. Acoustic forms of country music like bluegrass and old time fiddling seem to have stood the test of time - there are always a few younger players around who are willing to give it a go.

Alan Tanner · Post by **Alan Tanner** » 25 May 2012 2:46 am

I have some friends who work in a bluegrass band. They are excellent and seem to be busy all the time. They are the Radio Ramblers, and most of the gang is pretty young. I also notice that the Quebe sisters seem to be pretty popular and seem to have no trouble working and selling CD's. Both are all acoustic bands. Both groups are doing music from many generations.

Barry Blackwood · Post by **Barry Blackwood** » 25 May 2012 8:04 am

Yeah, sit down and shut up Vince. Duh! It's time Brad Paisley opened his mouth and said something rather than sitting in the corner and counting his money.

Really. Personally, I would much prefer hearing from Vince both on a musical and philosophical level. As far as counting money goes, I've always said Paisley looks like a stereotypical CPA in a cowboy hat.

Darrell Criswell · Post by **Darrell Criswell** » 25 May 2012 8:45 am

Some of the best music I have ever heard was people playing at some small joint in front of a audience of 5 people. A few of those people went on to some level of prominence/popularity and others are working today filling vending machines.

Money, popularity, and good music are not synonymous, JS Bach was considered behind the times as a composer when he was alive.

Larry Tracy · Post by **Larry Tracy** » 25 May 2012 10:29 am

I think VInce should make his own independent cd of music he really cares about without a label telling him what he should record. With his fan base he would probably make more money selling them at shows than he did on a major label. Plus he would have total freedom to do whatever he liked

LJ Eiffert · Post by **LJ Eiffert** » 25 May 2012 11:26 am

One day you guys and girls who are smarter then us dudes are gonna get it.Vince Gill ain't no way out of the game of Music Business.The circle is up and down just like the White House of who don't know where the Money is.I can't wait til Sheriff Joe get all the papers in pick selling like cotton candy,so many colors to eat and write on.God Bless Us All who they want to kill for being real and standing up to them tools.

Is this the yellow paper?

Uncle Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.