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basilh wrote:

Baz, I know that your chords sound right, but when I saw the video it was clear that he played the chords further up the neck. I couldn't see exactly what he played, but perhaps the chords aren't as full as you imagine. Consider these positions on the middle 4 strings of the guitar:

C⁶⁹ x-7-7-7-8-x
Db⁹ x-8-9-8-9-x
C⁶ x-10-10-9-10-x

A real guitarist can probably add the root note of all 3 chords on the 6th string. My fingers just don't work that way.

I agree, b0b. Johnny's playing the ending chords on fret 8, standard guitar. It looks and sounds like this to me:

[tab]
Standard Guitar tuning

-----------------------------------
----8----------9----------10-------
----7----------8----------9--------
----7----------9----------10-------
----x----------8----------x--------
----8---------------------8--------

C6/9 Db9 C6
(Fm7b5)

[/tab]

---> CLIP

Doug,

Missed this first time through back in 01-08.

Very nice!

Thanks, John, much appreciated.

I'm bumping this because of the full tab to Sleep Walk. Thanks heaps, Basil I've only been playing a week and it sounds shitty when I play it but I'm so glad I found the tab!

Just saw this. Pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxTQXAg ... r_embedded#!

Definitely deserves to be "Elevated" again.

Ron ?? Page 1 gives links to that video:-



(posted Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:00 pm)


(Posted Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:36 pm)

Which are SOMETIMES more accessible than the YouTube postings.:-

Whereas your version Doug is the equal to the ORIGINAL with two exceptions !!*
The real deal :-
Original version

* The Bb chord at the end of the middle 8 ISN'T played by the band, THEY stay on G whilst the steel FORCES a Bb against it, and the last 3 chords on the regular electric guitar are different..

The original recording and a video of Santo & Johnny playing it are here :-

Audio

Video

(The highlighted links in the quoted parts ARE Clickable)
And as I said on page one, Most accurate version Doug, Congrats on the replication..
First time I've heard someone play it with respect to the lyrics and the definitive version..BIG KUDOS..
So much better than the insipid re-recording by the "Other Brother"

Ron, This is the one you link to, and what I find interesting is that there are 1,121,019
views, and no comments visible ?

Didn't see the link previously posted...
I didn't read through the whole thread, so I missed that. But I ran across it on You Tube. Very cool.

I didn't know it was an 8 string he played. Some posts here referred to 6 string tunings, so I assumed...
Now I can see how that high string on the 8 string is where that high lick is played, rather than up the neck an octave. Now I want an 8 string. lol

;^)
rd

basilh wrote:Ron, This is the one you link to, and what I find interesting is that there are 1,121,019
views, and no comments visible ?

When I first saw it, it was not on the You Tube website. The site it was on had no place for ratings or comments. Then when I clicked on the video, it took me to You Tube, where you could rate, comment, etc.
That could explain it somewhat.
I clicked that I liked it with the thumb up.
One of my all time favs, for sure.

It's nice to see this thread pop up again!

BTW I changed the mp3 in the original post about a year ago. The link now goes to my C6 recording of Sleep Walk, not the E6 version that was originally posted. Same player, same song, different tuning, different guitar.

Ron, yes, Santo played Sleep Walk on 8-string C#m7 tuning. This thread about 6-string may have led to some confusion. I think that most, if not all, of Santo's arrangement can be played on 6-string, He only uses string 8 for one low run from the V chord to the I.

Doug, you played that with mucho soul... very much like Santo.
Great job of capturing that same "vibe".

Concerning the 8 string vs. 6...
What made me take note of that is how Santo did the high octave line, down mid neck. Reason I noticed that is cuz it's a bit of a squeez for me to hit that line starting up in the 12th fret.
Now I want an 8 string. LOL


rd

Ron,

Unless I'm mistaken that high bit is played with a harmonic on the top string which is the usual E. Thus the strings you're missing on a six string are lower ones not higher.

LP

p.s. So yeah... you want to read the rest of the thread. There're some illuminating posts here.

Ohhh.
Well that just shows ya what I (don't) know about it.
I was doin' it starting at fret 15.
Harmonics, huh? That's gotta be tricky on a steel.
Gonna have to work on that. lol
Thanx, Doug...!


rd

Oh dear Ron, you REALLY should read the posts in the thread that you're answering...
I can understand the exuberance of youth, trying to get to the "Nitty Gritty" straight away, BUT the Initial post by Doug and others is MOST relevant..


On page 1 this was posted giving not only the links to audio and video of the original (That Doug so ably emulated) but also the page explains the technique of harmonics and how and where the strings were picked.. AND THE TAB.
This is just SOME of what you chose to bypass:-

Here is an article I did in our magazine last year discussing the lyrics etc.














High resolution pics here Click this


The original recording and a video of Santo & Johnny playing it are here :-

Audio

Video

Well, thanx for the comment about my "youth", Basil.
At 57 I still do feel quite young.

Sorry about missing all those previous posts.
I do a lot of my forum reading while I'm falling asleep at night, & admittedly do skip over some things (& snore through others. lol.)
I'll be sure to scour this thread before commenting again.
The detailed posts are appreciated, eventhough not all completely read.
rd

No problem Ron, check Doug's posts regularly he puts up some good ones..

As for the Harmonics,
The SECOND section on this page is somewhat useful


There is a long discussion about them..including Palm, Finger,(Pinkie or other), Brushed, Knuckle and other forms of "HARMONICS" <here>

Basil, Thank you for your kind words and thanks for posting the excellent tab and pictures, and other information! I've learned a lot from your posts over the years.

Ron, as Basil and others have said, the signature slide in Sleep Walk is a harmonic (chime). There are a couple of ways play a harmonic. I use the edge of my right hand, or the knuckle of my little finger. Here's how I play it in Sleep Walk:

[tab]
Bar on fret 3

place the edge of the right hand lightly on the E string 12 FRETS ABOVE THE BAR

pick the string with your thumb and immediately raise the right hand off the string and slide to the frets indicated.

The sound produced (harmonic or a "chime") is one octave above the natural note at the bar.


**** slide ****

------3----5----12----7------
-----------------------------
-----------------------------
-----------------------------
-----------------------------
-----------------------------
[/tab]

And now a shameless commercial... I have tablature w/notes, audio & rhythm track for SleepWalk in my C6 lap steel song book, 25 songs... exactly as played in audio clip below

SleepWalk Audio ---> click this

Thanx, Doug!
I know how to actually get harmonics, since i play guitar some.
I'm such a new on slide I've never tried this.
But, I will in a few minutes, though.
Thanx,
rd

I missed the C6th version, Doug. You've really caught Santo's phrasing here. Nice playing!

We've talked about this before but even with his somewhat limited steel technique, for me, Santo's phrasing and penetrating tone trumps the playing of many more accomplished players who for whatever reason, lack the potent individuality in their playing that he had.

Case in point, Offshore (1963). If you haven't heard this record, check it out ...

http://easylistening.blogspot.com/2007/ ... -1963.html

Thanks Andy! Yes, Santo's "single note" style seems to be simple, but as we've said before "try duplicating it" There is some magic in his vibrato, his attack, and in the guitar/amp he used. Not bad for a 21 year old kid!

The same magic is heard in Tear Drop (1959), S&J's follow-up to SleepWalk ---> Click

I'll have to check out the Offshore album. I enjoyed the clip of "The Enchanted Sea" that you posted here a while back.

I am enjoying your c6 book.

Thanks A.J., I'm glad you like it!

Only signed up with SGF in the last year so missed it first time around but this Sleepwalk thread is a lap steel education all by itself. Haven't tried harmonics yet. Soon. Sleepwalk was one of the first songs I remember hearing on the radio as a little kid. Been a lot of fun learning to play it half a century later.