The Steel Guitar Forum

That the current Lashleys have allowed this matter to go unaddressed is unbelievable. One could presume that they either (1) don't give a flying rip about doing the right thing... or (2) that they are broke. For the sake of all concerned, I hope it's the latter- I would hate to think it's a character issue.

In either case, it's economic suicide to let this go on.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 08 November 2004 at 07:22 PM.]</p></FONT>

There's no shame in saying you're broke.
The shame is in hiding and not keeping your word.

.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:09 PM.]</p></FONT>

well farris,
i don't know if your speaks the truth
but if he build one and i believe he's not
i can tell you there is only one thing i want from the lashley's and thats a check
with the refund on it
no more and no guitar.

so ron JR if you read this post no guitar anymore out your hands just a check

cor

At this point, who could believe Cor would WANT a guitar from the Lashleys.

This would mean he has to continue to deal with them for parts or warrenty etc, ongoing.

Why on earth, at this point, would he want that.?

Secondly, with the course of this thread and the bad publicity it naturally engenders,
the re-sale price of a new E by Lashley is likely to be a loss for Cor.
Even new, never out of the box, never shipped across the pond.

Yeah right, FINALLY under external presure send him the guitar he doesn't want,
make a profit on it, and then he has to dump it for a loss...
Real fair after being jerked around for years.

No shame in being broke, there are plenty of cash strapped people around these days, just making ends meet. You would be in good company and get a sympathetic ear.
But the character issue, is shamefull, if this is the case.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 12:34 AM.]</p></FONT>

david your right,

i don't want a guitar from the lashley's,


i will never be in busyness with them but like i said i want a check with the refund
thats all.because the money belongs to me not to them for a guitar that doesn't be build.

and what al the other forumites want here
or will do busyness with them in the future
i don't know i can only speak for myself and was hoping that it could be solved by this what wrote here on the forum, but i don't think it would so it is laying by the BBB and hope they could make some action on it. like i said before and saw it by them on the list they have,it is not the first time that this is happen.

cor<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 01:23 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 01:25 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 01:27 AM.]</p></FONT>

I seriously doubt that post #356 will bring an end to Cor's problem, but I nevertheless believe it can and will be resolved. If the Lashleys had cash, they would still be in business - cash is the LAST thing you'll get from them. What they DO likely have are guitar parts and at least two hands to assemble one. My hope is that Emmons would at least build a guitar, and that a kind soul could either "broker" it to another end user on this side of the pond, or buy it from Emmons and resell, and then send the sales proceeds to Cor. I don't believe 100% satisfaction is possible - but 80% or 90% wouldn't be bad.
Cor, I'm praying that this will come to an end soon. I've been on both sides of this kind of issue and it stinks on both ends. I wish that posting on a message board could resolve it, but it sounds like the Lashleys are "hunkered down" right now. Hang in there and don't give up hope!
BTW, I like the local TV station consumer fraud reporter idea. It's a very compelling story and would likely be most effective - those tenacious TV folks have a lot more time to "stake out" a subject. <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Randy Pettit on 09 November 2004 at 08:10 AM.]</p></FONT>

Cor, I think Randy is right here, and compared with what you have at the moment, A new Emmons built and delivered is not something I would turn away! Would`ent it be nice if this was what Ron Jr. was offering?
As good as money in the bank IMO nothing wrong with the product, the trick is just gettings your hands on it!!

John and Randy

I can understand Cor's opinion on this subject.....however you have a point when you say that Cash will be the last thing the Lashley's will come up with.But do understand that if Cor could get his hands on this steel he is forced to sell it.And will there be anyone amongst us that is willing to pay up the 80 or 90% you are talking about.
90% of the value still is $4000.
IMO there are only a few steelers here on the forum that are willing to pay that for a LeGrandeIII.And do these people have the money to pay for it.
And don't forget the bad publicity that has been spread around these guitars.


Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

i don't know guys.

one more time:

how many times must i say i have paid for a guitar that is never build and that ron jr stated that the guitar was ready to go and after danny came into it and heard from ron jr that it wasn't build. so there is nothing to sell.

he didn't use my money for my order guys
think straight and realistic
if he had it use for my order the guitar should be ready.
so imho there is something going on there
and nobody knows not even you all there

don't understand me wrong i'm not angry on you guys here
i have some great help from you all but

this is my opinion there is nothing

i wait almost three years on a 10 feet guitar cord and al the time when i was talking with them on the phone or send out a email they said its still in back order

i don't believe it any more.

i didn't think ron jr has parts laying to build a guitar i rather think they are on the way to get down, because of silence and no response through the attorney general.

so if there is no money they have to come up with a solution not me
if they don't i go further with this and more.

it takes so long now that it is time to get some action on it and i mean real action.
because i'm not a miljionair or so that is lay his money anywhere and don't care about it if he loose some
i have to work pretty hard for it.

and the thing is here i paid for something that is never build and probally never would build .

so they are only nice to me and have no other options than send me a check or at least come up with a solution.

but like i said i don't believe it that they do that, it seems to me that they are not so nice as they look they do over the phone or by mail.

so i repeat
there's one option and that would be the check with the refund nothing more nothing less.and lets wait what the BBB brings me.

regards

cor <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 09:02 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 09:06 AM.]</p></FONT>

COR,do you know that the guitar you ordered is not sitting there?only word you have is because they would'nt let someone else have it. word is that it's very hard to sell a custom built guitar to someone else!would have to rebuild it,and that cost money!have you checked with them to see if guitar is there waiting on you? if someone goes there and it's there,you're gonna look kindda silly. farris

Here in the states, there is a national RADIO PROGRAM called: TOM MARTINO.
He can be reached at TOM MARTINO.COM
He is a "FREE" trouble-shooter for consumers.
He has attorneys and others that actually telephone offending retail businesses while on the radio "live" to get their side of the story and really lays it on those with limp wristed excuses. He has enjoyed much success for many, many consumers that have been screwed over by beligerant manufacturers and retailers; some are real Billion Dollar giants.
COR should take advantage of this "FREE" opportunity. When ten or twenty MILLION listeners are sopping up news of a given controversy, retailers tend to snap in line, like it was their own great idea. It's worth a telephone call. He might be able to get MORE INFO' via the internet. Say what?

Farris ,

once and for all i know that it isn't build

how many times must i explain it?

Ray,

don't you think so if it is that the lashley's will come up with there next excuses or so?

thanks again for your suggestion

cor<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 09:55 AM.]</p></FONT>

Hey Guys, If he gets the guitar have a raffle and you could retreave his money and some for bob and the site. Bill

<SMALL>...you could retreave his money and some for bob and the site.</SMALL>

I would refuse to profit from this situation. That wouldn't be right.

Also, I can't allow raffles from the site, because it's illegal.

Farris. You would probably hope to believe otherwise, but no matter how much one might "wish" things were a certain way with this issue, it's really quite plain and simple.

1. No guitar was ever built for Cor. When Cor cancelled his order, it was taken off the "build list."

2. This guitar was not a "custom built" guitar by any since of the word. It was just a standard Emmons LeGrande III. The only thing "custom" about this guitar was the $4500.00 price tag he paid for it!

3 Cor's guitar is not sitting on the floor at the Emmons Guitar Company, or any place else for that matter. Again, Cor's guitar was never built, and it's not going to be unless someone happens to call in and order a guitar "exactly" like the one Cor ordered.

This is not rocket science guys, Cor paid for a new Emmons LeGrande guitar, then had to cancel his order. However, he never received a refund. Since I'm was Emmons dealer, I ask Ron to send me Cor's guitar so I could sell it for him and hopefully, get back at least some of his money. Ron can't send me Cor's guitar, because it was never built, and I seriously doubt it ever will be.

Cor doesn't want a new Emmons guitar now, he just wants his money back, and like many others here, perhaps some sort of communication from Ron Lashley would be welcome too. So far, Cor hasn't received either one.

Farris, just so you'll know, none of this is based speculation, this is based on actual phone call conversations with Ron, and is all FACT! There's no "maybe" anything about it.

Some folks here seem to be worried about using the name "Emmons" in thier posts, or don't like seeing it. Fact of the matter is, the company is called Emmons Guitar Company by Lashley, Inc. and that's all there is too it. this has absolutely nothing to do with "Buddy Emmons" whatsoever, or any other Emmons name however many there may be. To even think otherwise is nothing less than pure mental gymnastics!

This is about a steel guitar company, and the current owner(s), and Cor not receiveing the guitar he paid for, or a refund for same.

There's a lot of guys here now offering some very good suggestions and information, and I'm hoping that will continue until there's a resolution to this matter. The Emmons guitar is a fabulous guitar, and this has nothing to do with the product in or of itself. Is Cor the only victum here? Not by a long shot! But that's all I'm going to say about it. <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Danny Hullihen on 09 November 2004 at 01:39 PM.]</p></FONT>

OK COR,do you have it in writting,that they were not going to build your guitar?they were not obbligated to let anyone else have it.Just wondering,man they could sue you for mabe one million dollars for all this stuff!!better think,to late probaly!!!

Farris,
Insulting Cor, who is the injured party here, will not help anything.

All the questions you asked have already been answered eariler in this post, some several times.

Even the personal info that Danny, an Emmons dealer, shared has been been posted eariler by him.

Not wanting to throw a monkey wrench in this,
nor force Cor to accept a steel from a company he dislikes, but..

If memory serves,
He paid in either Netherlands Gulden or Euros around 2 years ago.

Since then, thanks to "the powers that be",
the dollar has dropped from around one to one with the euro,

To around $1.28 to the euro.. a pathetic exchange rate. IMHO.

Which means if he gets a USA payment of dollars NOW, he loses 20%+ in the conversion...

If he were to buy NOW with the same $4,500 in the usa,
then he will realize aproximately the same value as
he had at the time he transfered the cash.

So he is actually better off buying something and shipping it over,
because it's value will be higher, than cash. even with a import duty, he could sell it for more over there.

Ok one other thing.
Cor what was the spec of this guitar? :
levers, pedals, necks, copedent etc.
What is supposedly custom about it.
Just to get this on record here.

If it is 8 + 4 Emmons or Day, then it is a straight ahead vanila D-10 steel.

And if it was never built, saying it must be sold to another as a custom unit is a spurious arguement at best.

Maybe we can use a psudonym for the company in question.
I duh know, mebe, Weasels-R-Us. it has a certain ring to it. <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 09 November 2004 at 11:43 AM.]</p></FONT>

ok Farris what would you want?

keeping the company alive, let them take my money,close this thread and wait till the next one comes up here with the same sort of experience?

ooh' and b0b be sure you get a great donation from me if it solved. no problem!


and David your right i know that i would loss because of curency today.
but i don't want a emmons

ooh david more to edit:

well okay i ordered that time a natural birdseye maple mica d10 with 8 to 5 franklin on the fourth counterforce on both
humbuckers on both chrome backplate behind the emmons logo and chrome fretboards.

let me come up with another thing here who from you here wants a emmons D10 ?

order one and pay me your guitar is already paid by me.
i don't think you guys will order one by lashley are you ?

cor<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 11:38 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 11:43 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 11:47 AM.]</p></FONT>

not putting gas on fire.... I had some bad expiriences as well to deal with some "well knowing name" in the US: The problem overhere is: we trust all this well knowing people, we belief in them and trust them.and that hurts allot, after you find out..... you are just to far to catch him and shake him long enough to get the money back, that you worked so hard for!!!! It's a shame all over the world, there's only two peoble in this world, the ones you can trust, and the ones you find out..... never again!!!! I feel sorry for Cor and I was there too! The respect of a " all my lifetime legend" stopped me to fight with him... but as a person...... he's less then dogs....
sorry, that's a fact! But that happens overhere too... so don't worry, all of us are in the same boat!!!

Cor I think I was indicating,

if you get the cash in the USA buy something there and import it..
another steel, or 5 trombones, or whatever will hold a resale value back home.

yes david 5 trombone's
then you and i looking for three other victims and play these one's loud.....!!!!!


cor<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Cor Muizer Jr on 09 November 2004 at 11:52 AM.]</p></FONT>

thanks Andy,

nice to hear you from Zwitserland.