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Topic: What did Lloyd play before ShoBud? |
David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 2:52 am |
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| And probably everyone who raises their E's to F have probably been influenced by Lloyd Green. |
Including Buddy Emmons...
These guys are so good and so top shelf, and so open ear'd,
that thay can help but have rubbed off on each other
in ways likely only THEY can tell you.
Big E raises his E's, but who came 1st !!
Both these men have raised all of US up too. |
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Dyke Corson
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 7:38 am
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What Tommy Said!!  |
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Franklin
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 8:01 am
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David,
Good post. As to E's to F? Who used it first? Lloyd certainly played the lick that popularized the change.
I recently discovered the original recording of Jim Reeve's "Have I Told You Lately" and listened to the sound of that change. This is possibly the first hit using that middle major triad inversion position. I believe it was either Day or Emmon's.
Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 11 June 2005 at 09:58 AM.] |
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Franklin
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 8:26 am
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Tommy,
Ditto's about Emmon's influence on everyones playing. Sorry I missed your post. I believe folks are confusing influence with copying styles. In order for anyone to play without the influence of Buddy Emmons they would have to create their own open commercial tuning and create a pedal copedant unique to their creative style. (So far nobody has even come close to doing this.) Most of the greats just create within his original tuning. So if anyone uses the A,B, C, combo with the added F# and Eb strings they will be creating moves that are inspired from using Buddy's brilliant tuning and copedant. There is no way around that.
Buddy just posted in another post that he steals from everybody. I believe he's actually taking back little tidbits he left behind on his musical journey.
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Lem Smith
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Long Beach, MS
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 10:33 am
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Perhaps someone else used the E to F change earlier, but I think it's been clearly established by Lloyd himself, that he was the first to use it on a knee lever. Of course the first song he used it on was D.I.V.O.R.C.E.
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Franklin
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 3:51 pm
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Lem,
I agree completely and am not trying to diminish the fact that he alone made the change popular through that song. I just find it interesting how advanced Day and Emmon's were on their quest for innovating the basic tuning that the rest of us chose to stay with.
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Lem Smith
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Long Beach, MS
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 8:59 pm
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Hi Paul,
Please don't think I was trying to be argumentative {sp}? or anything either. In fact, I believe I remember reading where Lloyd said Pete Drake had used that change before on something, but had it on a pedal instead of a knee lever.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about Buddy and Jimmy's tunings. It is mindboggling when you think about it. They developed the tunings, the changes, etc... and even very early on, they were sounding like they had studied that very tuning for years.
If they'd had the information available to them to start with like most of the rest of us have, there's just no way to imagine what they'd sound like, because they're incredible as it is! |
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Tommy White
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Nashville
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 10:18 pm
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Paul,
Thank you dear friend.
I'll stand by my post, especially with your support.You truly are world class in every respect.
I would enjoy an exploration into the 10 string, C6th tuning and the standard manufacturers 8th floor pedal on the C6th tuning.
I would want to believe Buddy Emmons is responsible for the raised 9th chord of that particular pedal. Buddy, could you shine some light on this subject? As I am such a fan of your jazz playing and blue notes, I would very much enjoy knowing where the copedant for the now standardized pulls and lowers for the C6th tuning originated.
Always my best,
T.W. [This message was edited by Tommy White on 12 June 2005 at 07:58 AM.] |
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 11 Jun 2005 11:44 pm
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Thanks Tommy; I am Researching and will research more, as it is hard when one person tells me one thing and another tells me another> who do you believe??
I'm too young to know history first hand; I can only rely on what certain folks tell me; but maybe I should research more on WHO is telling me...ha....or I should just shut the "he!!" up> I got no problem with either of those.
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 12 Jun 2005 6:33 am
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| It is mindboggling when you think about it. They developed the tunings, the changes, etc... |
I was just listening a "fresh air" on public radio where Terry`s gest was Les Paul,celebrating his 90th birthday.I didn`t have a clue that this gentleman invented electric guitar,reverb,multi track recording,delay atc...what a brain.He said,he had to invent that stuff because he couldn`t buy it in the store.I think Mr.Emmons would be in the same category under inovator and definately under a genious.And I would also have him under a person that is fun to be around,funny,openminded and hell,he will even have a beer with you if he likes you.
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Tommy White
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Nashville
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Posted 12 Jun 2005 7:03 am
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Ricky,
I changed my post because I do realize how much you contribute to the forum and it is very much appreciated.
I hope you always share what you know!
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 12 Jun 2005 7:16 am
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This has drifted pretty far off of the original topic. I'm closing it.
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