The Steel Guitar Forum

Posted: **1 Sep 2004 4:10 pm**

I like Jerry. RIP[This message was edited by Steve Frost on 27 February 2005 at 01:00 PM.]

Posted: **1 Sep 2004 4:54 pm**

.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:32 PM.]

Posted: **1 Sep 2004 5:19 pm**

This is actually a pretty civil thread on Garcia. Most of the posters are fans-the real vitriol has been shifted to RR, who is the latest high profile steeler to have the audacity to be more famous than Emmons. But that's another thread...

This is all pretty harmless-just folks gabbing about Jerry. Some tongues pretty firmly in cheek.

JB

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Posted: **1 Sep 2004 5:20 pm**

Cool it, folks.

Posted: **1 Sep 2004 5:26 pm**

.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:33 PM.]

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 3:35 am**

Sorry guys- my quip seemed witty at the time, but it doesn't stand up to the morning light. That's what I get for posting at the end of a long day. My apologies for a post that I don't wish to defend. Viva la Forum!

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 7:49 am**

.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 09:33 PM.]

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 8:40 am**

The weird thing is that you never seem to see any of those people who come on with guns blazing, tongues lashing, and fingers flying at the mention of anything remotely negative in regard to RR do the same for JG. 'Course, maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 8:56 am**

...... yawn.........

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 1:00 pm**

you never seem to see any of those people who come on with guns blazing, tongues lashing, and fingers flying at the mention of anything remotely negative in regard to RR do the same for JG.

Well, Robert Randolph is technically a much better steel player than Jerry Garcia ever was. RR is a steel player who dabbles in guitar a little bit. JG was a guitarist who dabbled in steel for a short time during his long career.

I doubt that Jerry would disagree with many of the disparaging comments about his steel playing. He knew he wasn't very good at it. His saving grace was his consummate musicianship, which shown through on any instrument he touched (even, I've been told, on the b@n&o!).

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Posted: **2 Sep 2004 2:32 pm**

So. When do we start picking on Toy Caldwell (Marshall Tucker Band)?

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Posted: **2 Sep 2004 2:45 pm**

Robert Randolph is technically a much better steel player than Jerry Garcia ever was

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, but it seems to me that people who made that sort of statement about [fill in name here] being a better steel player than Robert Randolf in past threads were severely brow-beaten.

[This message was edited by Tom Olson on 02 September 2004 at 03:46 PM.]

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 3:18 pm**

I liked JG because he played MUSICALLY. He had IMO a neat style that was very snappy and percussive. It wasn't very developed technically, but individuality is hard to achieve for most of us. Many players on this forum could blow him away on the steel, but how many could have come up with a better signature riff? I love Teach, the song, and as a beginner on steel, I'm having a blast playing along with Teach and other New Riders, Poco,CSNY stuff. So what if his ability was limited? Kevin H. you ought to be shot for stirrin it up! Are you coming to St. Louis this weekend? See you all there. JimP

Posted: **2 Sep 2004 5:14 pm**

Can I be # 38 Jim? Thanks. Unfortunately I have to play. Were opening for a couple of Nashville acts and its the end of a very busy summer season. I would have liked to meet you.
I got a chance to see Jerry Garcia play pedal steel guitar twice with the New Riders . He actually used a lunch room chair when I saw him play. Very, very unique. Whatever instrument Garcia picked up turned into that Garcia magic. He had that west coast staccato thing happening. Looking back I consider seeing him play a real experience.
Maybe Pete Grant could come on and shed some light on his copedant and coil tap choice.[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 02 September 2004 at 06:15 PM.][This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 02 September 2004 at 06:16 PM.]

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 7:52 am**

Cricket, cricket, cricket...

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 9:02 am**

The only thing I remeber about Garcia is he couldn't play and he didn't sound in tune. Now this should bring some life

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 9:21 am**

Bill, just wondering. Did you ever see him play?

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 2:17 pm**

an excellent question...

JB

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Fulawka D-10 9&5
Fessenden D-10 8&8
"All in all, looking back, I'd have to say the best advice anyone ever gave me was 'Hands Up, Don't Move!"
www.johnbarnold.com/pedalsteel
www.buddycage.net

http://www.nrpsmusic.com/index.html

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 3:29 pm**

Funny Bill, the only thing I DO remember about Garicia was that he COULD play, and he did it with more passion and beauty than most people could even comprehend.

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 5:20 pm**

Kevin no never did see him but I heard him and wasn't to impressed. INMHO a steel player is more then someone who slides the bar up and down the strings to make ungodly noise. I don't say he shouldn't impress you or anyone else My thoughts of steel players are people like Emmons, Green, Franklin, White, to name only a few now these fellows don't make just noise Sorry if I mess in your corn flakes.

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 9:01 pm**

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL W/ JERRY GARCIA ON STEEL COULD HE PLAY W/ THE BIG BOYS LIKE BUDDY,JIMMY, BYRD, RUGG,GREEN, SEYMOUR, WHITE,CHALKER,BRUMLEY,FRANKLIN,SASSER,HUGHY,DRAKE,ANDERSON,DOUG,AND SO ONE EXPLAIN WHAT HE DID FOR STEEL GUITAR, MAYBE I'M OUT IN LEFT FIELD ON THIS. THANKS

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 9:16 pm**

JUST REMEMBER THAT MR JERRY BYRD AND BUDDY ARE THE TRUE SOUNDS OF PICK AND BAR CONTROL AND NOT TO MENTION A HOLE LOT OF THE OTHERS THAT SHOWED A LOT OF ALL THATS TRYING TO DO THERE THING ON THAT THING CALLED PEDAL STEEL GUITAR, SO KEEP ON PICKING THAT THING THATS HARD TO MASTER.

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 10:41 pm**

What's the problem hear? Jerry Garcia was the #1 steel player for many years according to "Guitar Player" magazine.And I'd like to hear Buddy Emmons or Lloyd Green play such a tastefull solo as the one on Teach your Children Well.Yeah go Jerry , you rock.
Regards Brendan

Posted: **3 Sep 2004 11:11 pm**

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Fulawka D-10 9&5
Fessenden D-10 8&8
"All in all, looking back, I'd have to say the best advice anyone ever gave me was 'Hands Up, Don't Move!"
www.johnbarnold.com/pedalsteel
www.buddycage.net

http://www.nrpsmusic.com/index.html

Posted: **4 Sep 2004 1:49 am**

Obviously, technique on your instrument is important to acheive the sounds you want to acheive. I spent years and years practicing scales on the ol' 6 string just to get my chops up. But I'd trade all the chops in the world for melody and phrasing. I thank Jerry for sharing his melodies with us all.
Back to the topic...did Garcia ever touch the C6 neck? Were there steel players that he idolized?

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