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RON PRESTON · Post by **RON PRESTON** » 11 Mar 2004 3:55 pm

Ed,
I have one of those "Hip--Shots" on My Fender "Tele" and it WORKS, Man, it Really Does. You CAN Imulate steel guitar "Licks" only, it does NOT make the guitar Sound like one as in tone, but, in playing "Steel Licks" on the guitar. The "Hip" Lever is extended out towards the RIGHT SIDE of the Players hip, and this lever RAISES the 2nd string (B) to a C#. Then,there is a second "Palm" lever that looks like a short "TREMOLO" bar. This lever RAISES the 3rd string (G) to a G#. Then, it has a "Flip" lever that when you flip it FORWARD, it LOWERS the 6th string (E) to a LOW D.(Which MATCHES with the 4th string, D) The B to a C# on the 2nd, and the G to a G# on the 3rd (On a Guitar) is doing the same thing as our 1st and 2nd pedals are doing.(Emmons Set--Up) Our "A" pedal RAISES the B to C#, and, the "B" pedal RAISES the G to G#. Now, you can "See" and "Hear" the same moves or "Licks" between the two. and, the "Hip--Shot" is tunable, and STAYS in tune very good, and, it LOOKS pretty Darn

on your guitar too. I've had guitar pickers ask me what it is, and, when they hear it, Most really "Dig" that "Style" of picking.
This "Contraption" also comes with a Book and a Tape made for the picker to learn from. I Belive that the Inventor of this thing is the one playing it on the learning tape, and, who wrote the "Tab" in the book. WHOEVER it is, all I can say is that he ROCKS on that Hip--Shot," and he sounds just like he's playing a Pedal Steel.
Only DrawBack that I can see, is, anyone who plays this thing "UnMercilessly" on stage, Just MIGHT TAKE YOUR JOB from you.

RON PRESTON · Post by **RON PRESTON** » 11 Mar 2004 3:57 pm

Sorry, Bob,
I guess you beat me to the "Punch" here.
Everything that Bob said, Ed.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 11 Mar 2004 11:12 pm

Donny my point was that if the person who did invent it has not proved this point by filing a patent, there is no legal proof he did actually invent it.
Word of mouth vs a legaly granted patent.

I could design a widget, send it to you, you file for a patent with no mention of me, and I have absolutley no recourse.

Unless I had dropped copies of the work to that affect with a patent attorny and with proper notorization etc IN ADVANCE of your pattenting the device.
Then it would ensue a decade long legal fight.

I was under the impression that was WHY you patented something, as legal proof of your invention.

If someone worked for Emmons and invented a better changer and the Emmons company supported him doing it, that is the case the inventor gets his name on the patent and asigns Emmons the right to use it.

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 11 Mar 2004 11:21 pm

It's been my experience that the boss gets his name on the patent, whether he did any of the inventing or not. I don't know how it works with free-lance inventors, but in the corporate world you don't have to actually invent anything to get your name listed on a patent.

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Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 12 Mar 2004 1:23 am

I could design a widget, send it to you, you file for a patent with no mention of me, and I have absolutley no recourse.

Not true. All you have to do is prove it's your idea, and that you did it first. If I patent your device, and it's discovered that it wasn't my idea, not only would my patent be null and void, but I could also be fined and go to prison for filing a fraudulent document with the U.S. government if I did the above knowingly. The quote below is taken right from the U.S. Patent Office website...

According to the law, only the inventor may apply for a patent, with certain exceptions. If a person who is not the inventor should apply for a patent, the patent, if it were obtained, would be invalid. The person applying in such a case who falsely states that he/she is the inventor would also be subject to criminal penalties.

So you see, David, I'd better make sure it's my idea before I try to patent it!

Bobby says...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>It's been my experience that the boss gets his name on the patent, whether he did
any of the inventing or not.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, here's what the official U.S. Patent Office website has to say about that...

The application must be signed by the true inventor, and filed in the USPTO, in the inventor’s name. This is the person who furnishes the ideas (e.g. the first person in the above fact pattern), not the employer or the person who furnishes the money.

So you see, General Motors doesn't "invent" anything. If you work for them, and develop something used on their cars, you're still the inventor. Now, you may have assigned them the rights to anything you invent (this little "document" is usually included in your employment application process), and in that case they would be the "assignee" on that patent, and they would have all the rights to use it. Nevertheless, it remains your invention.
[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 12 March 2004 at 01:45 AM.]

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 12 Mar 2004 1:57 am

So, let me get this straight. I give this terdball $80,000, I have to pay for the patent, pay for prototypes, pay for manufacturing, pay for marketing and distribution? And on top of that, pay him commissions? Sounds fair to me. Where do I sign up?

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 12 Mar 2004 2:30 am

Donny, this is clear and relatively what I was saying, the issue is PROOF.

You could invent something and I could patent it, but on which side lies the burdon of proof.

I would have to in some rather undefined way PROVE I actually did invent it.
How? In a manner that would stand in a court of law. Sure if I worked for GM in thier labs there would be a big paper trail.

But some guy in his basement working alone, has some guy his wife let in delivering fuel oil, see his invention and run with it, he has no proof because he has no paper trail. MAybe the wife knows what he does maybe not.

But how does he prove he invented anything?
I am not debunking what you say above. Just noting the problematic nature of the issue.

A physical invention would be harder to prove than an intelectual invention like a special rubber compund. Then the non inventor might not have ALL the details. But other wise....
good luck proving it.

Winnie Winston · Post by **Winnie Winston** » 12 Mar 2004 2:33 am

Gad! What a scam!
A patent story:
Guy no.1 patents and markets a cloth frisbee. The rim is weighted with a sewn in lead rod.
Guy no. 2 is making a cloth frisbee where the rim is weighted with lead shot.
Guy no. 1 asks guy no.2 to cease and desist or pay him royalties.
Guy no. 2 goes to his design lawyer, who looks up the patent.
The patent describes the device as a "hat shaped device with a weighted rim, capable of being thrown."
Sound familiar? Remember "Odd Job" in "Goldfinger"?
The Bond movie came out three years before the patent was filed.
The lawyer told no. 1 that there was evidence of prior discovery, and sent him a snip of the film. He said if guy no. 1 wishes to persue this line, he will show that there was prior invention, and the patent would be dis-allowed.
Guy no. 1 backed off real quick!

JW

Andy Volk · Post by **Andy Volk** » 12 Mar 2004 3:27 am

If you're not interested in this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity I have a couple million in a bank in Nigeria but I need you, my most trustworthy friend, to share in this wealth by first wiring me $100,000. (void where prohibited by law).

Wayne Cox · Post by **Wayne Cox** » 12 Mar 2004 11:10 am

I have a "fender" on my truck that definitely sounds like "steel" or maybe it's a "steal"! Maybe I should put it on E-Bay!!
Ron, I'm asking $5000, but you can have it for $4995.

Sorry,but some guy named "Ford" already got a patent on it!
~~W.C.~~[This message was edited by Wayne Cox on 12 March 2004 at 11:12 AM.]

RON PRESTON · Post by **RON PRESTON** » 12 Mar 2004 1:01 pm

Wayne,....
Again ya ask me just a "Tad" too late.
$4,995.50 JUST WENT to Mr Bobbe for that "Hot-Rodded" FOUR-NECK-20-PEDAL-35-Knee-EMMONS.

Ya should of ask me YESTERDAY. Oh, Well, That's the way it goes for ME, ANYWAY.

Oh,Yea,One question, Wayne, could I borrow SEVERAL HUNDERED DOLLARS to pay for the SHIPPING? I'll let you PLAY it when it Arrives. (Yea, I want to see THAT one TOO)

Bobby Lee · Post by **Bobby Lee** » 12 Mar 2004 4:16 pm

The application must be signed by the true inventor, and filed in the USPTO, in the inventor’s name. This is the person who furnishes the ideas (e.g. the first person in the above fact pattern), not the employer or the person who furnishes the money.

That's what they say, but do you think I'd still have a job if I didn't let my boss add his name to my patents? There's a whole string of "inventors" on many modern day patents, and some of those guys did nothing but say "good idea, Bob" and sign the check.

To clarify: I'm not complaining about it. I'm just saying that that's how it works in the real world. Corporate lawyers file patents all the time with names of non-inventors on them.

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