Why Was It Closed ?

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 26 Jul 2003 10:17 am

Don't get dressed on my account, I'm not shy, well, maybe just a little bit

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 26 Jul 2003 10:52 am

Stephen:

You're MORE than welcome here.

Full time PSG. Hell! There are PSG jobs literally falling off trees here. Hawaiian, Western, Rock and Roll, Classical. Bluegrass, you name it. One GREAT BIG club that goes 7 nights a week, and there's at least TWO bands that play there that I don't work with, and the ones that I do, are always trying to get rid of "me", before I destroy "them". Maybe you'll arrive in the nick of time.. They can only pray...

Day gigs, same thing. They make/made Sierra PSGs here. Maybe a guy could get a gig cutting the blackberry bushed that have grown around it and repainting the sign.

You can basically name your own wage, (if you can say "Ten Dollars an Hour"..)

I'd think that the bald head and "southern accent" thing would be a good Gimmick.

We'd get you lined out with a harley, some hawaiian shirts, white pants, and the sky would be the limit.

It doesn't rain hardly at all here.

The "other ethnicities" that are here are very laid back and are very supportive. No tension here at all. It's like the Civil War never happened. Slavery, incidentally, since Oregon was not "In Open Rebellion" at the time of the EP was never outlawed. There was a confederate flag flying at the Charleton Farm on Sauvies Island in 1860, and still is today. Now it is a hunting dog kennel. I delivered rock there ten years ago and met a tall red haired Mr Charleton that said his people actually came from N VA, but didn't know of any relatives. There is a nude beach there farther out past Reeder's Store.

The schools are excellent, the roads, the police kick very few people to death that don't deserve it, Social Services are excellent and getting funded more and more..

Oh, did I forget to mention.

The bulldogs all have rubber teeth, and the hens lay soft boiled eggs...

Sometimes there really is an "edge of the world". Sometimes it really is worth "going over".

OREGON: ONE BIG SURPRISE AFTER ANOTHER. -Unofficial State Motto-

If you like it "there". you'll probably like it "here".

If not...

I'd get some mildew repellent for the "buff" thing though.. That purple stuff they use for chiggers is good but takes a while to wash off. I think the county has a "spray on" treatment..

Don't forget the A-200 (tm).

Y'all Come and see us.

Y'all, and all y'all's y'all.

.

EJL

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Gene Jones · Post by **Gene Jones** » 26 Jul 2003 10:57 am

Eric, I've been to Oregon and it is a beautiful place, and I already have a hawaiian shirt...would that be an advantage in getting a job if I migrated there?\
www.genejones.com

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 26 Jul 2003 12:00 pm

Definitely a plus.

Also as you can see I have a Eucalyptis tree. That doesn't hurt either.

As well, the positive results of the Atkins Diet, though it's not for everybody..

( Chet Atkins Diet: Eat as many buttered cinnamon rolls as you can get your hands on in the middle of the night and play guitar until you die.. )

Always room for One More... ( Alternate State Motto.)

EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 26 July 2003 at 01:36 PM.]

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 26 Jul 2003 6:17 pm

I felt it was close to relegus and offensive issues

The only thing close to religious was that God created us naked and the only thing offensive was John & Yoko Lennon naked and that was shot 30 years ago.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 26 Jul 2003 6:37 pm

If an artist has the talent they shouldn't have to resort to nudity or other tricks to sell their product?

The album in question was an experimental piece, not one standard song on the entire set, and Yoko had already done performance (part of the Fluxus performance scene) pieces with nudity and the issue of undress.

They were basically making an artistic statement, not everything revolves around making a pop record, besides.. this was back in 1968, get over it.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 26 Jul 2003 10:20 pm

Actually, I've gone and re-read the original post, and seeing it was about music and definately a non-offensive topic, I'm not too sure why it was closed.

Or is this a place where the thought or duiscusson of the concept of nudity, or referring to actual nude acts is an offence to a religion?

As per usual I see the usual bunch of yokel comments about John & Yoko, about as funny as it all was in 1969, which shows how much people have grown over the years.
And Ray Montee, man, I love you guy, but y'all gonna have to face facts that the world has changed and just maybe people can be in vidoes or mag covers showing flesh without being tasteless.
Personally I think semi-nude (no genitalia.. hey, can I use that word here?) is about as offensive as toast. Of course that's my lack of concern about the basic reality that we're nude underneath, we will be nude more than a couple of times after we come into the world and it's best not to get too concerned about such things.
If you do wanna get uptight about it, fine.. but rash comments like the original topic and Craig A Davidson's one that started this post:
"I would like to say that Mr. Winters has a good point in his now closed post. If an artist has the talent they shouldn't have to resort to nudity or other tricks to sell their product."

Can you please back up this comment with some sort of criteria or rationale that might indicate why nudity might make someone untalented.
The talents of say, John Lennon and the Dixie Chicks are surely a matter of taste, so how would one be able to concisely explain what 'talent' is..then we'll take it from there.

Mike Weirauch · Post by **Mike Weirauch** » 26 Jul 2003 10:20 pm

this was back in 1968, get over it

I bought the album when it came out. It didn't bother me then and it certainly doesn't bother me now. My statements were directed towards Janice's reasons for closing the first thread. The above mentioned were the only things I could find to justify it's closing. I have nothing to get over!

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 27 Jul 2003 4:44 am

when i wanna get over, i jes listen to Aretha singin '"how i got over"
(Amazing Grace)
she never needed to get nekkid to show her talent.
an God did create us in the Bday suit
it's our own darn fault if we see our nekkidness. and in these times of the golden calf some are rakin' in a lot of $$$ w: the nekkidness.
the arabs got it half right since they hide their women !

they only forgot to hide themselves

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 27 Jul 2003 5:04 am

Come to think of it, why wath it clothed?

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Larry Miller · Post by **Larry Miller** » 27 Jul 2003 6:11 am

Janice, open it back up!

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 27 Jul 2003 7:49 am

Jason, Let's put it this way. Do you buy an album for the music or to get excited by the cover? I buy an album cause I like the music. What I am trying to say is the music should be able to stand on it's own. If it will make you feel better, I am a big fan of both Lennon and the Chicks. It kind of like not using the "F" word in a song to sell it.

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Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 27 Jul 2003 8:35 am

I`m tempted to post some of my funny Osama photos and see this topic closed too...

chas smith · Post by **chas smith** » 27 Jul 2003 9:59 am

Do you buy an album for the music or to get excited by the cover? I buy an album cause I like the music.

I don't remember the exact statistic, but back in the days of LP's, something like 80% of album sales were "impulse buys", because of the cover art. You have to remember that we are a vast minority, in so far as we're musicians with a different criteria for music purchases.

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 Jul 2003 1:33 pm

We was born nekked and we been losing ground ever since.

I heard the John and Yoko album back when saw the cover had a good laugh and didn't buy the album because I can't stand her singing...

There maybe some very credible artists who also for reasons of their own, like some concept of "ART" or pure exhibitionism or in the name of countering hypocracy as they see it, who just wanted to be "totally open" as human beings with their fans.

In some cases it may have little to do with impulse buying or market share cover demographics.
To each his or (preferably) her own.

Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 27 Jul 2003 2:06 pm

Mike, I wasn't referring to your comments, geez.

Oh ye cynics, I geddit. People only swear and take off their clothes to make money whilst promoting, writing or recording music. Sure.

Personally I think Yoko is great, but it's all a matter of taste. Some dig Yoko, some like Faith Hill, the latter for me is like Prozac, so I guess each to their own in that regards hey campers?

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 27 Jul 2003 3:12 pm

Jason just to be clear I like Yoko, but not on this album. And I like her as an artist more than as a singer. And I don't think I would know Faith Hill if I heard her or she stepped on my foot. But I have heard she is good.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 27 Jul 2003 3:27 pm

some like Faith Hill, the latter for me is like Prozac

So you get depressed if you don't get a dose of Faith's music every day.

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 27 Jul 2003 3:37 pm

I always thought the flip side of the Toronto Album was a good lesson in what a guy could end up listening to for the rest of his life...

Anybody remember Herb Alpert's "Whipped Cream and Other Delights"?

It was my favorite TJB album, and I right now couldn't even tell you what songs were on it..

Funny how "the mind" works sometimes....

....or not.

EJL

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 27 Jul 2003 4:21 pm

Ah, yes, the "Whipped Cream" album. One of the first rock and roll albums I ever bought was the Shocking Blue (hit song-"Venus").
But that one had a cover, too!
Course, I remember when the first bikini showed up at the public swimming pool in Ware Shoals, S.C. They made Dianne go home

Sorry, Eric, I know you thought it was gonna be a guy, or a small animal. By the way, what do I need to do to look like you, when I get to be YOUR age?

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 27 Jul 2003 6:07 pm

Like I said, the Atkins Diet, ( Chet Atkins)..

I'm not sure you'd live through falling out of an ugly tree day after day and hitting every branch on the way down.... If you only have a couple years til you're 50, you better get started at it.

Actually I think it's diesel, constantly applied while spraying the boxes of dump trucks to release the 32 ton loads of asphalt on each trip. It's kind of the "poor man's Botox".

Yup. Seeing that incontinence commercial almost made me wet my pants.

I think a lot of the images are subliminal.

Since watching the famous Shania "armpit sequence" in "At this Moment" I've started seeing them everywhere.

Thousands of them.

Send help/

EJL

The gig this weekend was the pinnacle of chaos. The guitar player conked out after the first set. The rythym section never "conked in". The ratfink bartender was watching to see whether I put my hands on the bass player, so she could tell her boyfriend, my ears were plugged up, the crowd was abusive. the "band family" needed "my room" to put up an inlaw, so I drove fifty miles back home both nights, lets see... I'm trying to think of the "negative side"......

A single night thursday, and a 300 mile one day gig on saturday, a weekend at the Eagles, a two night hayride with a 100 mile day gig on the saturday.

Yup. Full time gigs, wall to wall. Up ever day to deliver cold mix at 6 am in a double transfer dump, maybe a couple more hours delivering a paver and/or roller then night work on the non gig nights.

I never even have time for the "free meals"..

I'm getting you lined up for when you "make the move".

You'll like the gun laws out here. They don't even classify rifled muskets as firearms. You can have machine guns, and those spud cannons are all over the place and totally unregulated.

Now where did I put my Minie Balls.....

Craig A Davidson · Post by **Craig A Davidson** » 27 Jul 2003 6:34 pm

Jason, Just take the comment for it's own merit and don't try to read into it.

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Jason Odd · Post by **Jason Odd** » 28 Jul 2003 2:12 am

okay...... sometimes I buy records because I want music that sounds like my head is melting, sometimes I buy music because I wanna shake my butt, sometime because I want atonal scrapings or layers of distortion that might acutally bend girders if played at the right volume.
Sometimes I buy records for their cool covers, and that would be second hand vinyl for between twenty cents and maybe ten bucks.

Sometimes I want socialism set to tunes, old hillbilly swing, jazz, bluegrass, skewed pop, power-pop, pop-punk, thrash, grindcore, to hear a pedal steel, a dobro or a three piece consisting of violin, guitar and drums.
I still think the Unfinished Music albums by John and Yoko are pretty good (the Wedding Album, not so great), but the solo Plastic Ono albums are fantastic, anyone heard the amazing guitar sounds Lennon gets on Yoko's 'Why' ..probably not, but I love it.

Whatever right.

To get back to the original post, why was the 'original topic' closed, ... due to this sort of thing I suppose.

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 28 Jul 2003 8:54 am

Any of you folks ever hear of the late G.G. Allin?

There is a documentary about him called "Hated." You might want to check it out.

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 28 Jul 2003 9:37 am

..ah, yes, a trip down Mammary Lane..one of my favorite albums from my teen years..I can remember a few of the tunes right off the top of my head..Tangerine, A Taste of Honey, Tijuana Taxi..

..this was one of about 5 records that I owned..I played them over and over after supper during wrestling season while I jumped rope or ran in place with a rubber suit and sweats...

..the wrestling team played "Tijuana Taxi" for our warm-ups at home matches (this was before the days of "We Are The Champions - of The World)...the visitors had to warm up to condescending silence...

..and the cover art wasn't bad, either..hope this isn't too religious, I don't want to get this closed up on my account[This message was edited by Pat Burns on 28 July 2003 at 10:46 AM.]