Pedal Length

Ron Pruter · Post by **Ron Pruter** » 14 Apr 2020 8:44 pm

James, what did it cost you to have those pedals made. Can you post all the measurements? RP

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 15 Apr 2020 4:38 am

I can see where this might be a problem. I don't know how the trend got started, but pedals have tended to get smaller (dinkier?) over the years. I know one thing, I like the old MSA pedals a lot more than the newer ones. $:\$

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 15 Apr 2020 4:38 am

A friend of mine owns the machine shop that did this work so I am not sure what he would charge someone to perform this modification. I did get a PM from another member inquiring about the same thing. I will ask him what he would charge if he were to do this for someone else and see what his response is. He shipped the pedals back to me yesterday and I hope to have them back by Friday at which time I can measure them for you. I can tell you that from the pin where the rod connects to the end of the pedal (going towards the payer) is going to be 1.5 inches longer than a standard Emmons pedal. So basically its a Mullen pedal length now. The distance between the rod connection and where the drift pin connects the pedal to the bar did not change so there is not going to be any difference in pull angle or travel. That is to say that the rod travel will be the same. There will obviously be some pedal travel difference due to the difference in the length.

Let me add to this by saying that I corresponded with Lynn Stafford about this project and he knew someone who could do this modification. He might be a better source since my friends shop does a lot of field service work for the oil field and I am not sure of his availability but I will ask him.

Another option would be to ask Mullen what size drift pin they use and what the width of their pedals are. You may be able to achieve the same end result by buying the pedals from Mullen. I emailed me them but did not get any response likely because they are not working right now. I would give Lynn Stafford credit for this suggestion since he knew that Mullen pedals are longer than the Legrand pedals.

Bob Cox · Post by **Bob Cox** » 15 Apr 2020 8:16 am

You can take a piece of alum and lengthen it buy welding it in and filing it down , You can never tell if done right buy a good heliarc man

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 16 Apr 2020 1:32 pm

Ron, here are the measurements as best as I could get. The black pedal is of course just there for comparison. I just played the guitar with the new pedals and it's a total game changer. I can get the ball of my foot on the pedals now and it's much more comfortable.

John Palumbo · Post by **John Palumbo** » 16 Apr 2020 1:38 pm

Great post James, those new pedals are awesome!

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 16 Apr 2020 1:41 pm

Thank you John. I'm very pleased with them.

Butch Pytko · Post by **Butch Pytko** » 17 Apr 2020 9:31 am

I hope we find out who is willing to make those longer pedals, as I need 8 for my LeGrande SKH.

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 17 Apr 2020 9:39 am

PM me if you would like his information. I did speak to him and he said he would do the modifications for those who want them. I am not sure what the forum rules are pertaining to advertising for a business that is not steel guitar related, so out of respect for b0b I wont post it but I will share it in PM if you like.

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 17 Apr 2020 10:14 am

If those had been available, I'd still own my LeGrande.

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 28 Apr 2020 4:44 am

Since I brought up Mullen in this conversation I thought I would update this post to include the response I got from Mike at Mullen. Mike responded to my email inquiry regarding Mullen Steel pedal size. Here is his response.

We use a 3/16â€ pin with 3/4â€ wide pedals and the distance is 4â€

I am not at all and expert on Emmons guitars, but I think these would fit and add length to the short Emmons pedals. It might be a more economical solution as well but I would at least ask an Emmons repair guy or even Mike at Mullen to see if they will interchange. I am pretty sure the 3/16" pin is correct for the Emmons Legrand guitars.

Ron Pruter · Post by **Ron Pruter** » 26 May 2020 5:31 pm

I believe the connector is on the opposite side and in a little cut out reccess. The Emmons pedals are 7/8" wide and the bolt spacing on the connecting bracket which comes with the Mlns pedal, is 1" hole spaced. The holes in the Emmons pedal bar are a mismatch at 3/4" . So yes it could be done but not easily. Mullen pedals, with mounting bracket, start at $30. RP

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 12 Jun 2020 9:03 am

Just a bit of information on this topic. I wanted to buy a new guitar but after contacting a few builders, I wasnt able to find one that could offer a solution to this issue. It was suggested that I contact Bill Rudolph at Wiiliams Guitar Company and discuss this with him. Long story short, he had a couple of suggestions on pedal modifications that would eliminate my problem. That being said, he is building me a new keyless guitar with pedal modifications that should make for an awesome guitar for me. He was super nice and extreamly interested in helping me out. Now comes the wait. Ha.

Ron Pruter · Post by **Ron Pruter** » 13 Jun 2020 4:04 pm

James. I'm confused. You said the new pedals were a game changer. Still not good enough? Ron

Johnie King · Post by **Johnie King** » 13 Jun 2020 7:28 pm

I made these pedals a while back the pads are adjustable an use a Allen set screw too fasten pad.

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 25 Jun 2020 4:34 pm

Johnie King wrote:I made these pedals a while back the pads are adjustable an use a Allen set screw too fasten pad.

I've tried to email you and message you about those pedals several times. Do you make them to sell?

James Sission · Post by **James Sission** » 25 Jun 2020 4:39 pm

Ron Pruter wrote:James. I'm confused. You said the new pedals were a game changer. Still not good enough?

The new pedals are fine. But I wanted a new guitar. The modified pedals I have are great on an Emmons. But I've always wanted a new guitar, like not preowned, so I did some shopping and bought a Wiiliams.