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Curt Langston


Post  Posted 2 Sep 2005 4:47 am    
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Uhh...sorry guys. I don't buy all the stuff about molecular changes due to stretching, some modulus of elasticity, or whatever.
Ever take a chemistry class?

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[This message was edited by Curt Langston on 02 September 2005 at 05:49 AM.]

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Donny Hinson

 

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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
Post  Posted 2 Sep 2005 8:00 am    
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Ever take a chemistry class?


Yes, many of them! However, I don't let that override common sense. The string still degrades due to rust, corrosion, and wear.

I'm not going to belabor this, other than to say that the string loses it's uniformity due to surface degradation, and that's why it goes dead. Uniform structures resonate far more readily than those those that aren't. When the mass becomes inconsistent, the pure harmonic structure is disrupted. Piano strings are under tension all the time, yet they last 75-100 years. They vibrate just like guitar strings. They're tuned and stressed just like guitar strings. The only difference is that we don't have physical contact between our hands and the strings on a piano. (Don't mention pedal changes as a major influence...non-pedaled strings on a guitar go dead too!)


My "opinion" is that it's surface degradation due to rust, corrosion, and the bar wearing the strings in the lower frets that causes deadness, as well as intonation problems. That's my explanation...until someone else comes up with a better one!

(Be careful! I've taken physics clases too. )
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Rick Collins

 

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Claremont , CA USA
Post  Posted 2 Sep 2005 8:21 am    
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Donny, you should also know, that the reason piano strings last a century __ the little hammers that strike the strings actually have tiny Blitz cloth covers. The chemicals in the Blitz cloth dance up and down the strings as they vibrate and keeps them clean.

When its time to re-string a piano, the most time consuming part is changing the tiny Blitz cloths.

Now, the harpsicord player is doomed to the same ritual as the steel guitarist __ no place for the Blitz cloths.

BTW: It would seem that a harpsicordist could actually "pick-block" as we do, if he strikes the same key twice in rapid succession.

...always seeking information.

[This message was edited by Rick Collins on 02 September 2005 at 09:25 AM.]

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Damir Besic


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Nashville,TN.
Post  Posted 4 Sep 2005 6:34 pm    
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I am asking why do strings actually loose the luster and tone after time,,inotation goes south,,why?


so I can blame the strings when people say I`m out of tune and my tone sucks...

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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 04 September 2005 at 07:34 PM.]

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Bob Hoffnar


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Austin, Tx
Post  Posted 4 Sep 2005 11:37 pm    
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Donny,
You idea about string life and corrosion has been proven false by steel builders and players experimenting with coated strings. The coated strings last quite a bit longer on a standard guitar but on a pedalsteel they don't help with string life. The constant stretching on a pedal steel string kills it way before the crud does. Corrosion sure doesn't help anything but it has turned out not to be the main issue.

Bob
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jim milewski

 

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stowe, vermont
Post  Posted 5 Sep 2005 6:30 am    
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maybe cause they hang around with other bad strings?
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