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Thanks much, Paul.

I've updated the online chart to reflect this change. I guess the lick is played on strings 5 and 6 at the 13th fret then, like this:

p1+p2 --> p1+LKV --> p1+p2 --> no pedals --> LKV

Did I finally get it right?



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<SMALL>That pedal really twists the heart strings.</SMALL>

That's got to be the understatement of the year, based on that intro MP3 (thanks, Mike, for making that available).



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A great steel guitar player once said on this forurm,

"Jimmy Crawford has raised and lowered EVERY string on his PSG (at one time or another), to its mechanical limit"

From what PF has told us, I predict it may not be to far in the distant future, that most players will be doing the same.

2 whole tone lower on the 6th string!! WOW!!

"Mama, put on another pot a coffee, I will be up all night trying to figure out how I can add that change to my guitar!! "

Wow!! whoood uv evah thunk it?!!

God bless Paul and all of you,

carl

I'm just used to use this LKV for G#-B, now it goes the other way round, &*^&*
OK! Paul, way to go!
JJ

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<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Johan Jansen on 15 May 2001 at 03:34 PM.]</p></FONT>

Hey Paul, so do you use a split tune or feel stops to get any notes in between that double whole tone drop? i noticed you have no other lowers on that string. gosh... i wish you could do this on a p/p. no way. thanx

Well if we are talking about who is "right" on this one that would be Jeff Lampert. He had the lick "not guessed" but exactly right from listening to it> right off the bat and the first post that said it. So Jeff wins the golden "ear" award of the year in my book>
Like I said before; there is no better ear for figuring out "exactly" what someone is playing than that Jeff guy. Man he just amazes me every time.
So from now on; the posts should read> "Hey Jeff Lampert; how is that steel player playing this???"
Ricky

Hey, thanks alot Ricky.

Just don't try doing that change on your Emmons PP.

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Steve, Paul lowers his 6th string to F# on pedal 4.

ohhh...that,s right..thanks b0b.

pretty cool change I may have to hang onto the old ShoBud and try that change on it. I don't think the Emmons will handle it, if it will, it probably wouldn't be worth all the extra slack or the extra travel I'd have to leave in the raise.
<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David Mullis on 16 May 2001 at 09:36 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David Mullis on 16 May 2001 at 09:37 AM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David Mullis on 16 May 2001 at 11:11 AM.]</p></FONT>

For the record,the only thing I claimed to be right about is the fact Paul has a knee that drops his low G# to E.I still haven't heard the song.This change is old news as I stated earlier. We discussed this last Dec. or Jan.Ricky seemed to question my statement.But guys lets put things in perspective,we should all be able to hear a string drop 2 whole tones. Just my opinion. DISCLAIMER This is in NO WAY a flame towards Jeff who spends a lot of his personal time trying help others who are not as proficient at their instrument as he.---------------bb

<SMALL>we should all be able to hear a string drop 2 whole tones.</SMALL>

Bobby,
I feel, that the point of figuring out a signature intro, solo, or fill, is to get it exactly the way the player did it. Even though many people can hear a two-tone move, the issue is to identify how it was played. As you know, this is far more difficult than just hearing what the notes are since you have to identify strings, frets, pedals, slides, and slants to play it properly. This difficulty could be seen by all the incorrect attempts that were made by a number of posters. I'm pretty sure Ricky posted because he felt that, being the fair-minded person he is, it would be nice for it to be acknowledged that I had it figured out. Even though you may very well have gotten it yourself, the fact is a number of folks tried and didn't. You post the fact that I have helped a number of players with my tabbing. Ricky has told me that what he likes about my contributions to the Forum is not just my willingness to help out players, but also that he feels my ear is exceptional. With all of the accolades showered freely every day on players, many relative unknowns like myself, I guess he felt that I deserved some attention for having the right answer. Certainly, receiving a compliment from him is worth 2 ( or 3 ) from anyone else. He's a super guy, wonderful pro player, has a tremendous ear, knows a bunch of world-class Texas players, and when he gives an appreciative nod, it means something. I appreciate it tremendously, and hope you're ok with that.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 16 May 2001 at 07:52 PM.]</p></FONT>

Jeff I agree, I hate to see tab posted that is wrong.And it's not just what you play but how you play it.I'll admitt I don't hang out in the tab section but understand you're doing a great job.I'll start checking in.
To me Paul is like a god.When he confirmed I was right about the knee pedal change(no one else seems to take my word),I forget sometimes most of you don't know me.Well I guess I got caught up in the moment.No hard feelings I hope!Keep up the good work.--------bb

Hi Bobby; I went back and read my first post, and I have to say I'm sorry if I came off questioning you knowing about wheather or not Paul has that change. I certainly didn't mean it that way and was not my intentions my friend.
I was trying to say simply; that if he had that change(and obviously he does)>than he played it the way Jeff decribes; but I was also going along with other ways of playing the lick if one doesn't have that change; and not suggesting that Paul played it that way.
I too believe in tabbing exactly the way a player plays something; and Jeff is waaaaaaay the "Man" on that. I wanted to give credit for the extreamly perfect ear Jeff has for this kinda stuff; and not take away from knowledge that you have or anyone else for that matter.
I put Jeff on the Highest of High pedistols for his unselfish contributions of the countless "perfect" tabbing that he has supplied all steel players so frequently. Many take advantage of his great work, with almost no recognition of what they are getting for free; and in my book, Jeff is the elite of the elite.
Actually here is how I play the lick(ha..
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Les,I have wondered about this myself.Some of you Zum Boys try it.Just take your 6th string drop and move it to the top hole on the bellcrank,top hole(drop side) on the changer side and see where she goes.You might have to add a little travel to your knee-pedal as well. But maybe not---------bb<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 17 May 2001 at 01:43 PM.]</p></FONT>

I have a Emmons LeGrande and I have just put the change on the LKV.It works perfectly.The only thing you miss is the split tuning on the 6th string.You must unscrew that screw a bit, so that you can lower it the whole way to E.
Greetings from the Netherlands
Jack Hollenberg
hollenberg001@planet.nl


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Nice sound! I saved that intro, and stuck it right in my "Steel" folder. (Shows how simplicity is often the best approach.)

Hi I am a bit late in this thread...but.
Crowbear just played me Paul Franklin and Brent Mason over the telephone during a 3 hour PSG chat. Mind blowing. And to see that some one said a Sho-Bud should be able to do this same copedant makes me a very happy camper
I don't expect to get his licks like that, but oh the possibilities. Very good discusion.

Well we have talked about Paul`s "new" change before. Check out my over two year old post.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Archives/Archive-000003/HTML/20011227-1-012507.html

Thanks,
Dag

Could this change be put on the RKL instead of lowering 9.

i appreciate all and any help in finding the right changes and frets on any song that has special tunings and phrasing and it's good to have the person that recorded the licks to come on the forum and complement the person for finding the right strings/levers ,,etc. i say a hardy ''good job'' to anyone that can do this. G.P.

Man thats still a beautiful change..especially on "my lifes been grand"
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