newbie here.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 30 Jan 2015 3:41 pm

Bob,
I've seen the closer pedals, and the nipped off corner on the B, But these appear to be hacksawed narrower to me.
JB

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 30 Jan 2015 3:46 pm

Double post. Sorry.

Walter Bowden · Post by **Walter Bowden** » 30 Jan 2015 6:30 pm

Hi Michael and welcome to the SGF. I have learned so much from the members and made some great contacts for pedal steel guitar resources/knowledge/service and practical advice. You are in the right place.

I am not an Emmons expert by any stretch of the imagination, but there are many experts who belong to the SGF.

Having said that, I don't think you have an Emmons pedal steel in the pics. Do a Google search for Emmons student steel guitar and you will see pics of the real deal. I thought it might be a Blackrock at first but doubt that after looking at the pics.

The steel looks to have cast aluminum Sho Bud changer and keyhead end plates, Sho Bud style pedals, changer and pup. Also, the Emmons student guitar came with a pick guard, black fretboard w/atoms and the p/p changer so there should be 2 parallel rows of raise and lower adjustment set screws at the changer endplate.

If it plays, tunes and sounds OK then it could be a good fit for learning the basics. As I stated, I am no expert and wish you the best. Walter

P. S. If you can post some pics from under the guitar and more closeups it would help

Pete McAvity · Post by **Pete McAvity** » 30 Jan 2015 6:40 pm

I'm with Walter on this. If you google Fender/Sho Bud to find pics of the Fender steels produced by Sho Bud (essentially a black plastic wrapped Maverick, I believe) you will see the identical end plates, angled on top (on the side facing front). I haven't been able to find another steel with these types of end plates, and after looking at a gajillion Emmons pics, can't find one with those types of end plates OR with anything BUT the black fretboard w/ atoms. If I'm ever in the market for weird cobbled together mutation steels, I'll be sure to start with House of Guitars.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 30 Jan 2015 7:48 pm

After looking again I think you are correct, It does not Look like the normal Emmons pp guitar . Would be nice to see the underside.

Michael Mathieson · Post by **Michael Mathieson** » 31 Jan 2015 3:49 am

Oh no, a "franken Emmons" ?

Don R Brown · Post by **Don R Brown** » 31 Jan 2015 5:21 am

Michael Mathieson wrote:Oh no, a "franken Emmons" ?

I think that might be an "Emmonstein"

Michael Mathieson · Post by **Michael Mathieson** » 31 Jan 2015 6:25 am

How long will it take for me just to learn the lingo let alone how to play this darn thing? Mike

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 31 Jan 2015 9:56 am

I've been playing 45 years and still haven't gotten all of the lingo down.

Michael Mathieson · Post by **Michael Mathieson** » 31 Jan 2015 10:22 am

OK, here are some pics of the under carriage of
Emmonstein"
I did a web search and saw some Emmons student models that look similar.
The body has a dark wood. I was suspicious about the fret board as none of the Emmons I saw has the same type as my guitar.
Thanks again. Mike

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 31 Jan 2015 2:05 pm

Do all the pedals and the knee lever work correctly? If so, don't worry about whether the guitar is a real Emmons or something somebody put together in their garage.

You've already got the Winnie Winston book. That's all you need to get started. Now it's time to forget about everything else and start learning to play.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 31 Jan 2015 4:10 pm

Can you get a refund for the "Emmons" project guitar?

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 31 Jan 2015 5:28 pm

I agree about getting a refund. Someone needs to find out why so many "forgeries" are coming from this one store.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 31 Jan 2015 5:30 pm

I plan on calling them tomorrow. I'd like to get another F-Tip S-10, but that one is nowhere near what they're asking for it.

Bob Muller · Post by **Bob Muller** » 31 Jan 2015 8:40 pm

Richard Sinkler wrote:I agree about getting a refund. Someone needs to find out why so many "forgeries" are coming from this one store.

I think the Sho-Bud is the real thing, It needs a total restoration and would not be a good choice for a first guitar, But It would be a nice guitar after restoration. The "Emmons" not quite sure what that is.

Richard Sinkler · Post by **Richard Sinkler** » 1 Feb 2015 9:18 am

Bob. I think you are right. I didn't notice the handle on the end plate.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 2 Feb 2015 1:55 pm

Okay! Who bought the Shobud before I could? Just called the store, and they said it had been sold a few days ago. And the person L talked to sounded completely clueless!

Don R Brown · Post by **Don R Brown** » 2 Feb 2015 2:28 pm

John, it is possible they are so clueless they deep-sixed the thing after it was returned by the OP. Or maybe the person on the phone was unaware it was traded back in. If you can find out who Michael dealt with in his various adventures, that's the person who (might) be able to give you more info.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 2 Feb 2015 2:42 pm

Good thought Don. The guy on the phone was, as I said, clueless, as are many guitar store salesmen.

richard burton · Post by **richard burton** » 9 Feb 2015 12:25 pm

That 'Emmons' looks suspiciously like a 'Little Buddy' to me.

Totally inferior to a Shobud

John Booth · Post by **John Booth** » 22 Feb 2015 9:18 am

Michael Mathieson wrote:OK folks here are some pics of my guitar.

I am going to clean it up and restring it today.
Mike

Here's an emmons student.
Totally different endplates, pickup, changer, keys,pedals, fretboard, no pickguard and pretty much everything else.

Bob Knight · Post by **Bob Knight** » 22 Feb 2015 9:45 am

Pick Guard??

John Booth · Post by **John Booth** » 22 Feb 2015 9:53 am

OK, maybe not a pickguard, but the plastic that runs in front of the pickup and holds the controls (if equipped)