The Steel Guitar Forum

Bobby,

Another question? If I lowered the 6th string from G# to F# on RKL (nothing else on this lever) AND lowered 5 and 10 a whole tone on pedal 4 AND had the Emmons A B C setup, could I do EVERY thing you can do?

In other words it would give me the split, but I would not have the lowering of 5, 6 and 10 on pedal 4. So would this work out ok?. Or would I be losing something? I just have NO place for yet another knee lever.

Thanks dear friend,

carl

Almost Carl.But as stated I'm really in to Tommy's playing.He's mixing the B floor pedal for a very quick unison sound with the B to A lower.This happens very very fast.Not saying it can't be done. It just want be as slick.

With that said.There are plenty of licks. You can always put your twist to it.My set-up evolved because I like Paul Franklins (RKR) so much.But you know how I feel about Buddy's playing.I had to have that 6th string lower and split.So I added the 6th knee to the E9 and I now have (Both) Paul, Buddys and Tommy's copendent.Plus I added a light 1/2 stop to Pauls (RKR) so that gives me
F# to G to G#
Eb to E
F# to G to G#

I should add I no longer have Pauls G# to E lower.A cool change but you can't have everything. Unless---I added another knee. No I'm not going to do it. Take Care my Friend!---------bb

Great stuff!!
Here is what I am looking at for a copedant:

P1 Franklin 5&6 down a whole (--)
P2 - P3 Standard ABC (Emmons)
LkL 4&8 up a half (+)
LkR 4&8 down a half (-)
LkV 5&10 down a half (-)
RkL 1 up a half (+) and 6 down a whole (--)
RkR 2 split down a half and whole (-/-) and 9 down a half (-)
Using standard 10 string E9th open tuning.

Any thoughts or comments?

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Allen Harry
Emmons SD10
Nashville 1000

Michael: if you try what I mentioned. (Don't) place the rods in the top holes of the Bellcranks as so many inexperienced PSG mechanics do.Your pedal will be too stiff.Instead place the rods in maybe the 5th hole from the cross bar.It should pedal fairly soft with just 2 lowers.My Legrands II is at the gig.I'm thinking I hooked mine a little lower.I have 5,6,&10 plus a whole tone pull on C6th.My 4th is pretty soft for that many changes.I know a few tricks to make that pedal softer.But that's a whole nother thread and with only 2 lowers your should feel pretty good. Hope this helps!---------bb

Sorry Michael: I was thinking of someone else when I wrote my last post.Someone who wanted to try the changes on their 4th pedal.Between this thread and E-mail I can't keep track.

You fellows with 14 hole bellcrank Legrandes remember don't pry the E-clips off.They will be to hard to reinstall,Instead (Pull) them off so you want bend them.A bent E-clip can be a real pain.In some cases you can ruin them.I have a small set of lock ring pliers.I first turn the E-clips where I can pull straight up or to the side.I then insert the (Hooks) of the pliers in the 2 holes, (eyes) of the E-clips and give a firm pull. They should slide right off.Oh if you're new to it.It may take a couple of tries..-----bb

ok Bobby,

Please give us your exact copedent on E9th, so I can visualize NOT only what you are doing, but what knees and floor pedal combinations can be used simultaneously.

Thanks soo much. And Bobby, IF you can play PF and TW, half as well as you do BE, they might be concerned a little bit for their careers.

Seriously, as has been said, "Bobby Boggs played more steel at the age of 16 than most will ever be able to do". You are one blessed and talented young man my friend.

God richly bless you always,

carl

There are no 'tricks' to the set-up of a LeGrande...just knowlege of a well designed instrument.

Thanks Bobby, I am going to print this out and take it with me to the theatre. I have about two hours between shows that should give me enough time to experiment and put it back if I don't like it. I might try what you mentioned about the C6 4th pedal rods if the vertical is too hard to use. I wish those things were height adjustable. Any thoughts there, besides duct tape and a 2x4, LOL.
Anyway Thanks everyone, I'll let you know how it goes.
Hey Jeff, is there any way to upgrade a '92 Lashley LeGrande to LeGrande III specs? I assume that the changers would have to be completely replaced, but what about everything else? Is something like that possible?
Thanks, God Bless,
Michael T.

Sorry Allen, I feel like I kinda took over your post. But I hope that this info is as valuable to everyone else as it is to me. I'll probably have the change built into my next steel regardless of how much I'll be using it. Looks like a new standard change.
Thanks.
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Carl, thanks so much for the kind words.However I can assure you everyones job is secure. Let me say up front that I don't recommend my copendent to anyone.It's just a set-up that I enjoy playing.


Pedals 1,2,and 3 standard Emmons with the exception of pedal 3.I also raise string 8 a full step with pedal 3 or C pedal.

Pedal 4. I lower strings 5,6,and 10 a whole tone.

LKL E's to F
LKR E's to Eb
LKV B's to A. No 1/2 stop at this time.I half pedal the knee for the Bb notes.Having 14 hole bellcranks help make this more accurate.

RKR. Both F#'s to G to G#. Also Eb to E
RKL. Eb to D to C# and 9th string D to C#
Staggered (RKL) I have this one positioned out front where I have to reach just a little to get to it.This way it's out of my way when working from (RKR to RKL).Also I have the changes set high in the bellcranks so this knee has very short travel.The changes for
(RKL) staggered are. 6th string G# to F# with B pedal split.I also have string 7 rodded to lower 1/2 tone.I tune this down for a few things and back it off for others.Kinda depends on my mood.

Carl, I hope you can make sense of this.Folks,don't let my rambling fool you. I really am much better at playing than writing. ------------bb<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 09 February 2003 at 10:06 PM.]</p></FONT>

Ok, Bobby, I re-did my LNV to lower 5 and 10 a whole tone. Along with my RKL which lowers 6 a whole tone, I have the Franklin change. It's real purdy, but kind of hard to get both those knees at the same time. So I have decided to order the parts to add this change to my 4th pedal instead.
Thanks for all your help.
God bless,
Michael T.

Oh and all you LeGrande players, it's a good idea to keep a 7/64th allen wrench in your pick pouch or tool kit. LOL. It's not just for Push-Pulls anymore.

Reffering to the original post, Allen, I would go ahead and add the Franklin change to your new steel. It only requires a couple of inexpensive extra parts, and it is real purdy. You may not use it much but it will always be there and a future buyer may like it as well. Could be a good selling point should you ever decide to sell your new Zum.

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