The Steel Guitar Forum

"The non-vibrating part makes no difference to the tension."

How do you figure that? (actually the other part IS vibrating and that's why some guys weave felt or foam rubber around that part of the strings but that's another issue) Isn't the presence of the nut roller on the overall string length the same as a bar placed across the strings at a given place? -MJ-

Mike, you seemed to say two contradictory things:

<SMALL>24" scale keyed guitar has MORE string tension than a 25" keyless guitar {/quote]and

The longer the string,the more tension is required to bring it up to a given pitch </SMALL>

The second statement is true. The first one seems to say the opposite.

What I meant is that a 24" scale keyed guitar is really a 27" guitar(changer-to-tuner)and a 25" scale keyless guitar is really a 25&3/4" guitar(changer-to-tuner).So there is less tension on a 25&3/4" string tuned to G# than a 27+" string of the same guage tuned to G#.

Michael,

You are correct. A 24 and 1/4" scale keyless will have less breakage (everything else being equal) than a 24 and 1/4" keyed guitar.

The reason is, even though the nut to changer length is the SAME, the total length of pulled string is very different. Therefore, the tension is quite a bit more on the keyed than the keyless.

carl

I had an old Maverick I used a 12 guage on one time, till I completely ran outta shells

Actually, I do use 12 guage strings on my p/p Emmons and my Derby,
i like the tone better and they stay there longer.

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I love my Black 66 Bolt-on !
kp

<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by KENNY FORBESS on 02 May 2002 at 10:31 AM.]</p></FONT>

Thanks guys put a 12 on the third like it bought a dozen more .GOD BLESS JIM

Jeff Newman switched me to 12 g. Like the tone better. As for breakage I rigged a little counter to the guitar for a while with both 11 and 12 strings. There is no appreciable difference in the # of bends befor breakage. They both break between 950 and 975 bends. Did this on an Emmons LII, D-10

I believe the only thing that has not been addressed in this thread is cabnet drop- more tension,more cabnet drop. Ugh!

I like Kenny's post best of all! "A 12 gauge
on a Maverick til I ran out of shells!" OOOO!
that's a good one! Should be about the best thing I can think of for a Maverick! Sorry,
guys. I take that back, they do get you started & hooked on having pedals, so thay can't be all bad! OK, how many were made over the years? The Carter starter is today's
greatest pedal for beginners isn't it? & in today's dollars it may be no more expensive than the Maverick was in it's day & the Carter will certainly get you farther down the road if you are thinking E9th. 4 knees?
How can you beat that!

A few years ago, Ricky Davis suggested I try a .012 on the third, and a .024w on the sixth. The sound is fat and even, and I have only broken the third, maybe 3 times since. The guitar is an 70s Pro ll...and I am way too cheap to change strings on any sort of a regular basis.

A whole new research topic for Bill!!!
Would a thicker string require a "Lucky 8"?<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Don Townsend on 04 May 2002 at 09:46 AM.]</p></FONT>

I just started using a .012 and now a .015 on the 4th, fatter sound