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Andy Jones wrote:My question:Why would a respectable country star record with or make a video with a rapper?There ain't enough money on this planet for me to do that.

To exploit them so they can sell more records?

The real question is, why a would a self-respecting rapper want to make a record with a country star?

Andy Jones wrote: My question:Why would a respectable country star record with or make a video with a rapper?There ain't enough money on this planet for me to do that.

It's kind of like when Jimmie Rogers recorded with Jazz musicians back in the '20s, including Louis Armstrong. Or what about the recordings Jimmie Rogers recorded with those Hawaiian bands, and they (Hold on now it's going to get scary) brought that "Steel Guitar" into country music. How rude and shocking was that back then???

So is the Paisley/FoolJ song being played on the (C)RAP stations?

that's really a good one, richard!

Alvin,I see your point.The only problem is that Jazz and Hawaiian are music;rap is not.JMHO

Andy Jones wrote: ''...Jazz and Hawaiian are music;rap is not...''

Hello Andy,

I suggested this in an earlier post from about 2011-12, I forget which year exactly, but the title of the post, as I recall, was ''Is rap really music?'' You can search for it on the Forum.

There were some intense exchanges...

Definition of Music:
Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence. Its common elements are pitch, rhythm, dynamics, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture.

WOW, that sound like the definition of RAP.

For those that want to engage in the Rap Is/Is Not Music argument, I suggest they check out the musical instrument exhibit at the Metropolitan Museum of Art half way up Central Park in New York City.

Some of the freakiest devices I have ever seen are accused of making music.

What works for machines probably works for people too...

John Ed Kelly wrote:Andy Jones wrote: ''...Jazz and Hawaiian are music;rap is not...''

Hello Andy,

I suggested this in an earlier post from about 2011-12, I forget which year exactly, but the title of the post, as I recall, was ''Is rap really music?'' You can search for it on the Forum.

There were some intense exchanges...

Here ya go. Maybe now we don't have to repeat the past.

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=218656

Thanks,Richard,but I read a good many of those postings when they were current,until I got bored.

As the old saying goes,"one man's trash is another man's treasure".Well,as far as I'm concerned,rap is someone else's treasure.

This is my final response to this subject;I have already wasted too much of my valuable time responding to this nonsense.

Good day!

i'm on andy's team!!


as for alvin's definition of music, he left out the qualifier: 'unless it is so uncomfortably overshadowed by arrogant abusive attitude that it tranforms itself into a socio-political bully pulpit.'

Brother, on the ACM thread we've got the gay bashing and over here it's the "poor, poor, everybody's got more rights than poor me" white guy whining plus "Rap ain't music". The trifecta. Sad, really.

I think it's fine to tackle big issues in song, but unfortunately, this song is just embarrassing. The lyrics are horrendous, especially LL Cool J's part (rhyming "do rag" with "red flag," yuck). The viewpoints presented in the song aren't exactly Mensa-level concepts...more like cheap thinking.

As if "Accidental Racist" weren't bad enough, he's got another song on the album called "Those Crazy Christians." Equally wrongheaded and embarrassing.

Based on the fact that people load it onto their iPods, bounce around, learn the words, I do conclude that rap is music. Godawful bad, xenophobic, imitation-rebellious, oft-times even disgusting music, but music nonetheless. If you'd been watching TV for 8 hours a day every day since infancy, you wouldn't have two IQ points to rub together either, and you can pretty much kiss your Tchaikovsky-appreciation-gene goodbye, you know?

I kind of like Brad Paisley...at times. He's a great picker and I've gotten a kick out of his quirky sense of humor more than once. As a musical philosopher he's in over his head though. He's well-intentioned but he's no Dylan at social commentary. Too heavy handed, the lyrics work too hard and the whole mess comes across as contrived and downright silly at times. He'd be better off sticking with showing off for the girls, cracking wise and mowing it down with that Tele copy.

I love Brad Paisley. He even sang this song on NPR... yes that bastion of liberal media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yQ9a-hJVy0
As far as the aforementioned song. I can relate as a man raised in the South.

Duncan Hodge wrote:I love Brad Paisley. He even sang this song on NPR... yes that bastion of liberal media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yQ9a-hJVy0
As far as the aforementioned song. I can relate as a man raised in the South.

I'd be embarrassed to sing those lyrics (I'm Still A Guy).

is that a young ken fox with a moustache?

I like both of those guys. I watch LL Cool J's TV show (NCIS Los Angeles) regularly, and Brad Paisley is the real McCoy as far as country singers go. I didn't realize that LL Cool J was a rapper. It's not a genre that I follow or appreciate. I can't tell good hip hop from bad. I'm not the one to judge that.

I've heard the song and I think as country goes it's better than a lot of so-called "number one hits" that I've been subjected to over the years. I mean, it's better than "Achy Breaky Heart" IMHO. Who knows, it might do some good. If all people are objecting to is the quality of the songwriting, maybe we've turned a corner.

chris ivey wrote:is that a young ken fox with a moustache?

That's my son, Mike Djunior.

Now hold on. I guess there were none of us alive or paying attention when Jimmie Dean did a song called "Big Bad John"

That was all rap. And Hank Williams did a few talking songs too that we could call "rap" as I recall.

You don't have to say you like it, I just don't like the insinuation that these young people started it. They just do it a little differently.

(By the way, I'm not into it either.)

Dumb lyrics? In a COUNTRY song????

i wonder what roger miller and ray stevens would have to say about that?

chris ivey wrote:i wonder what roger miller and ray stevens would have to say about that?

You mean like Ahab the Arab, the sheik of the burning sand?

Dumb lyrics? In a COUNTRY song????

I hear ya! Now these MC Hammer lyrics are so much deeper and profound than all the silly ole country lyrics.

You can't touch this
You can't touch this
You can't touch this
You can't touch this
You can't touch this

My, my, my music hits me so hard
Makes me say "Oh my Lord"
Thank you for blessing me
With a mind to rhyme and two hype feet
It feels good, when you know you're down
A super dope homeboy from the Oaktown
And I'm known as such
And this is a beat, uh, you can't touch

I told you homeboy (You can't touch this)
Yeah, that's how we living and you know (You can't touch this)
Look at my eyes, man (You can't touch this)
Yo, let me bust the funky lyrics (You can't touch this)

MMMMmmmm..that's much better!