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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 11:16 am
by Jay Fagerlie
Michael,
The 6140 you referenced earlier that belongs to Geoff Cline- that's the one I bought.
I don't know the serial number off the top of my head but I can get it to you for your database.
Mine looks different from the pics that MLA posted (Thanks MLA) My pedals are on the left side, not centered as in the brochure.
Does that still mean it's a 6140?
Two hole and barrels....I didn't see any other holes in the bottom the last time I looked....
If you look at the pics in the ad you referenced, I think it shows how the pedals are aligned.
I have it C6, I LOVE the sound of this guitar...I think I may want the E9 version also....they just have that sound
Jay
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 12:02 pm
by John Billings
Barrels behind two-hole pullers probably indicates '73 to early '74.
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 1:06 pm
by Skip Edwards
It's my understanding that 6140's went out with rack & barrels. Does anyone have a 6140 with 2 hole pullers?
Of course if one had been redone to have 3&4 then anything's possible.
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 1:11 pm
by Jay Fagerlie
Lookee here Skip
Is that a 2 hole puller? It has two holes per thingy, two for lowers and two for raisin' for a total of four holes per string.
Jay
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 1:17 pm
by John Billings
Two hole pullers are the bell cranks under the guitar.
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 1:22 pm
by Jay Fagerlie
Can you tell from this pic?
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 1:26 pm
by John Billings
Racks and barrels. My personal favorite!
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:01 pm
by Tom Wolverton
In theory (ignoring friction), aren't R&B changers infinite raises and lowers? But my guess is that 2-hole pullers with barrels are not. Is this true?
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:02 pm
by James Morehead
Here's some examples of two hole pullers we make. This is one of my project guitars.
Two hole pullers were the "up-grade" from racks:
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:07 pm
by James Morehead
Tom Wolverton wrote:In theory (ignoring friction), aren't R&B changers infinite raises and lowers? But my guess is that 2-hole pullers with barrels are not. Is this true?
Tom, You can put on one pullrod as many barrels as you have pedals/levers to pull with, thus the infinate. Barrels behind two-hole pullers OR racks--same difference.
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:12 pm
by John Billings
James,
With barrels and two-hole pullers, are the barrels in constant contact with the pullers? Or is there a bit of "play" there?
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:17 pm
by James Morehead
John, They have to have a gap between barrel and rack, or two-hole pullers. No difference. Think of two-hole pullers as "miny racks".
Don't be fooled by my picture of the two-hole pullers, that guitar is not finished and setup and adjusted yet.
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:22 pm
by John Billings
Thanks for the info James! Never had that model, and I figured if the barrels were in constant contact with pullers, there'd be no way to tune any other pulls on that rod. Now I want one!
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:27 pm
by James Morehead
John Billings wrote: Now I want one!
Ok John, Ask and you shall receive.
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=208737
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:30 pm
by Michael Yahl
Howdy Jay,
Looks like yours, #5074, was built about 02/18/1974.
Check for a signed builders tag for me. I have everything else.
Skip and John, my thanks for all the pictures!
John, I didn't get the year for the Black and white, 4&0, with the fuzzy finish.......Does it have a Tru-Tone in it??
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:34 pm
by John Billings
Michael,
I don't know what it is about her! She may like the flash. But she recognizes the sound of me picking up my camera! She's in so many of my guitar picks it's hilarious. Her name is Mao. Mandarin for "the animal that makes the 'mao (meow)' sound. She's a gas!
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:34 pm
by Tom Wolverton
Thanks James. My D-10 Professional is up and running just fine. That R&B system ain't bad at all. It's staying in tune nicely too. Thanks for all your advice and the great hardware. Ditto to: Michael Yuhl, James Palenscar, Rick Schmidt and Frank Sprague. It took a village to get it going. Shall I post photos?
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:36 pm
by John Billings
Buy a guitar? Pay my quarterly taxes? Buy a guitar? Have a place to live?
Besides, I'm only interested in S-10/12 guitars now.
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:37 pm
by John Billings
"Shall I post photos?"
Thou shall post photos!
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:40 pm
by Michael Yahl
Yeah Tom, you never did send me any of the finished product
Posted: 19 Jul 2011 2:58 pm
by Skip Edwards
The other day I had the chance to play a friend's first-gen LDG with barrels & 2 holers. It's amazing how smooth these old Buds play, not to mention how cool they sound.
And yeah, barrels & 2 holers share the same changer as rack & barrels, so they both have the unlimited pull feature. Compensating micropulls, too.
Very cool gtrs...
some photos: SB #3377
Posted: 20 Jul 2011 6:25 am
by Tom Wolverton
Posted: 20 Jul 2011 6:29 am
by John Billings
TW!
That looks eggs ackley like the first new guitar I bought back in '72. Only had two knee levers though. I built two more a couple months after getting it.
JB
Posted: 20 Jul 2011 6:32 am
by Michael Yahl
WOW!, Great job Tom! That's one to be proud of.
ShoBUd 6140 questionb
Posted: 20 Jul 2011 8:13 am
by Dana Blodgett
Michael, Thanks for helping me date my 'Bud to a '73. THe brochure I have is the same one that Skip posted I guess from '72. It's kinda funny how time makes remembering dates a little sketchy at times. John, you have some beautiful 'Buds there! I love the old 'Buds especially the single necks the best too!
