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Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:02 am
by Jack Stoner
When I listen to Hughey, I hear Hughey. I don't hear any early Buddy Emmons, although Buddy has probably influenced all Pedal Steel players in one way or another.

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:16 am
by Chris LeDrew
The intro to Conway's "15 Years Ago" has overtones of Emmons, at least to my ear. That's just an example off the top of my head. Of course, it's no secret how much John admired Buddy.

Which gets me thinking.......if you can hear so much of, say Buddy Guy, in Clapton's playing, doesn't it stand to reason that pedal steel kinfolk would betray similar influences?

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:31 am
by chris ivey
when i scope out tab from the great players, i take the two notes i can remember and put them into my recycle bin to be drawn out on that special occassion when i'm not too lazy to throw things into the pot and stir!

....and then...i do it mmyyyyyyy wwaayyyyy..!

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:37 am
by Matthew Prouty
I try to sound like the guy on Sponge Bob

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:42 am
by JD Mahaffey
I'd like to try and sound like Mike Johnson, theres still time for hell to freeze over, right?

Who???

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:42 am
by Bari Smith
I try to operate on the assumption that no one is better or worse,just differant.It's hard enough being me!!Doug Jernigan once told me"Why do ya wanna sound like him,we already got him!"Some players have set the standard and are more pleasing to the ear,while some may be technically superior but not as pleasing.Quality not Quantity!

everything at the same time.

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 10:44 am
by Charlie Hase
I've never been able to emulate other steel players well, but always listen to as much as I can of all kinds of music, on any instument.
I'm surprised to hear so few comments that would relate the steel to a slide guitar (which, of course, it is). The feel and sounds of guys like Duane Allman, and Jeff Beck...
Also, the emulation of sound and feel of other instrumentalists: like violin and cello, all kinds of keyboard/synth type of sounds, horn shots, and (my fave) vocalists (the inflections of a voice); are all things that I try to incorporate in whatever I play (if it comes to mind).
One of my favorite steel players to listen to is BJ Cole. He seems to do what I choose to try: close my eyes and find a tone that fits (mostly dependent on the style of music, but often the band leader's taste) and movement of notes and chords that works. I think I end up using any/all influence that I've been exposed to all the time.
Years ago I read an interview w/ Jeff Beck, and he was asked what effects he used to get a tone that sounded like Jan Hammer's keyboard solo just before his. His response was, "Oh, thanks man. I wasn't using any effects. I just wanted to try to sound like him, because he sounded so good."

BTW - Chris, you live in my favorite part of the world that I've seen so far.

Charlie Hase

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 11:53 am
by Don Sulesky
I may play some of their licks but I don't try to sound like anyone but ME.

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 11:53 am
by Ron !
I try to sound like the guy on Sponge Bob
That's George The Fretes...he plays a 6 string Rick on all those tunes.These songs are 30+ years old.

Ron

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 12:14 pm
by Joe Drivdahl
Carroll Hale wrote:
Michael Johnstone wrote:Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken.



RIGHT ON MICHAEL....DO YOUR OWN THING... :D :D
Yup. I agree with that too, but I think our playing is influenced by those we listen to and enjoy most often. For me, I guess its mostly Norm Hamlet. I like the way he sticks to the melody line. Thats what I try to do too.

Joe

I have no say in the matter...

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 12:45 pm
by Johnne Lee Ables
Well, I haven't played PSG in about 20 years...

But I do have a pretty decent non-pedal console that I am fooling with right now until I find a PSG that I can afford.

I try (emphasis on try) and sound like whatever tone I hear in tunes I like. However... I don't do tab very well (OK, at all) so I really can't emulate anyone for the most part. My ears are OK so I just listen and try to the create tone and phrasing that I enjoy hearing and playing. I am pretty good with reading vocal (and other single note) music so I often do what Lester and Chet suggested...

"If you can't cut the hot stuff just play the melody."

I do need to learn to read tab better! There is just so much available! Even then I doubt I have the ability to copy/emulate anyone very well. I've never been able to any other instrument! ; - ]

Johnne Lee

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 1:00 pm
by Jim Peters
I try to play with Buddy Cages' attitude, if it's an uptempo song. I love the haphazard fun-loving sound of his NRPS stuff. JP

Posted: 26 Aug 2008 1:45 pm
by chas smith
For the trad music, I wanted to sound like Murph and/or Buddy.

On the other end of the scale, in a different venue, I haven't heard many metal-head steel players, so I'm kind of stuck with myself.

For the art music, I'm happy with what I've got.

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 4:45 am
by Jim Sliff
What Richard Sinkler said - which I think is what every player should aspire to.

Why try to make a name as an imitator of another player? It's already been done...and undoubtedly better, since it was *original*.

FWIW my guitars are set up like Sneaky Pete's - but I don't spend my time trying to copy him. The unusual copedent creates some similarities, but I still end up...for better or worse...sounding like me. And I want to keep it that way.

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 6:49 am
by Chris LeDrew
I don't think you can help sounding like yourself in the end, but if you are saying that shades of other players do not exist in your playing, you are kidding yourself. In fact, your influences - combined with the inevitable personal touch - are most time what leads to success as a performer. Think of where Keith Richards would be without Chuck Berry to help him define who he is as a player. If Keith started off trying to sound like himself, he'd be retired and living in a rest home in rural England somewhere (not that there's anything wrong with that. :)). It's good to strike out on your own, but emulating heroes is what made most successful musicians what they are today.

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 7:04 am
by Charley Wilder
I think Chris about summed it up for me. A lot of Dobro influence in my playing mixed in with some old non-pedal. But in the end I sound pretty much like me mixing them all together.

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 9:02 am
by Dave Zirbel
JG.

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 9:02 am
by Dave Zirbel
:D double post!

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 9:45 am
by Richard Sinkler
Dave, Would that be Johnny Gomez? :D
I don't think you can help sounding like yourself in the end, but if you are saying that shades of other players do not exist in your playing, you are kidding yourself. In fact, your influences - combined with the inevitable personal touch - are most time what leads to success as a performer.
I think this is the key. I don't want to say I don't try to play like Hughey, etc at times, and that I don't play licks the big guys played, but I am not them and I can play their stuff note for note (some bands I play with want to play the stuff off the record, which I don't think is bad) but I surely don't sound like them. All of these players that I tried to copy have led to the player I am today, but I don't sound like anyone in particular (I mostly just sound bad ).

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 9:57 am
by Wally Taylor
I try to sound like I am playing in tune!! :D

Posted: 27 Aug 2008 12:58 pm
by Michael Pierce
I would like to channel Tommy White and/or Randy Beavers.