i hope that any of u pickers that are considering the mod would please contact me and i will be glad to send u a cd so that u may hear this on a cd player rather than on your computer as these things only have small speakers and not clear thru them on most thanks TOMMY
Thanks for the post. A great job on a beautiful song. I thought the before and after both sounded great - the after-mod sounded, as some others have mentioned, a little "warmer".
Don't think you guys read the thread on the steelplayers from charlie moore yes i work on more than just 1 brand of guitar i have tone modded several different brands and if i can be of help just e-mail me at tyoung52@wildblue.net or call 662-328-9511 thanks for asking TOMMY
For all u guy's that didn't make the trip to the tombigbee Jam u sure missed a great chance to have herd several of the guitars that i have modded there was three that was three that were played and each one was greatly praised for their TONE and guess who's face got a BIG smile it was i all of them really had a great time and the pickers that herd these modded guitars were sure asking ?????? and setting up appointments for theirs to get worked on,, because one of the finest gentleman in the world asked to play one on stage it was quite an honor for me as it was one of the HEADLINERS and did he really do my guitar justice and got RAVE reviews just ask any of the pickers that was there made this old man smile big so listen as this doesn't even come close to what these guy's herd Sat. evening and all of u missed it TOMMY
The "after" track steel sounds slightly warmer, but that's to be expected since there's much less treble on that track (just compare the rhythm guitar sounds). That could account for the perceived difference.
That could account for the perceived difference.
Perceived being the operative word.
Yeah. Thats all I got out of it as well............
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Tommy, No offense, but the before segment sounds purer and clearer than the after one. Are you sure that you didn't get these mixed up. I really do prefer the before sound and it costs less!!!
I just can't hear it that way. The modded sample sounds clearer to me--that is, each note or string stands out from the crowd better.
If I get the idea right, a more well-connected guitar will produce less distortion in each note because there isn't energy lost in undesirable vibrations, boosting the signal to noise ratio.
It's kind of like when I mentioned to an engineer how much I like prefer my tube amp because it has more warmth. He said, "Oh yeah, distortion!"
Those that say don't know; those that know don't say.--Buddy Emmons
Well i must say what i think and what i know,if you can't hear the difference in the two clips you don't need a EQ on you amp..i have a guitar that i bought WITH the mod on it,i think it is the best thing since a pocket on a shirt,it works for me and sounds like i need it to sound..now as for not tellin forum members how to do the mod, is Tommys time and effort,if the forum mate that thought Tommy should tell everyone what he dicovered is bull..if the forum mate was DISABLED and tryin to make a buck like Tommy is would you share? i think not..i must say what i think, don't want to offend anyone JMO..
Charlie...
I can hear a big difference in the two tracks...Both were very acceptable to me. The after mod track seemed to have a little less treble.
Anyway, It is a very good tune, played WELL !!
Moon
I would like to Thank all that posted on hear that know me and the steeler that played on these clips, most locals that were at the Fulton Ms. show herd that song played by the same guitar that did this clips and know that nothing was changed to enhance the Steel at all it was set the same both times as these clips were taken from a television show about a mth. apart, sorry if some don't believe nor like what I do that is your hearing, That is why some are great and some just want to be, but if richness of notes and purety of and clarity of your sound is what you want then get in touch, if not keep what you think is best thats what this was about to let you know that this kind of Tone can be reached on some guitars by the things i have learned, """""if you want shrill,thin, cutting tone then that isn't what i do"""""", as you can hear the difference on these clips, on some computer speakers, i herd these clips on one computer and I couldn't hear a lot of difference at all myself, that was of course the small speakers about the size of a pencil trying to duplicate a 15 inch JBL and that just doesn't happen, we now see this but if you want a cd that u can play on your cd player then get in touch with me and i will gladly send you one thanks for listening TOMMY tyoung52@wildblue.net
Tommy,
I think that variety truely is the spice of life ...There are varied opinions on what constitutes good tone ....Some like it bright, and some like it fat, and some like it thin .... There is something to be said for all the various tones...A fat, full , tone sounds great on it's own, but put it in a mix, and it might just get lost ...Play a bright tone by itself , and it sounds thin, and perhaps too cuttting ....Put it in a mix and it sounds great ... I will also say " congratulations" to you for finding the tone that you really like ... Some never get to that point .. I also congratulate you for working to achieve the tone you found , and enjoy .... Everyone is different in their thoughts of what makes for a good tone....That's what makes life so interesting ...We're all different !!....Sincerely, Jim
JIM Q. You are so very right when you speak of tone there are so many different thoughts on tone but when I hear some of Big E's recordings on his P/P and some of Bobbe'S. on his P/P and so many others like John Hughey's on his older recordings with Conway on his P/P those just knock me out and that is what MY bench mark is i love to hear a guitar that will play way up high and NOT fall on its face like so many of today's guitars do and still have tone on the lower rage as well if a guitar has 26 frets it should be able to be played from end to end if the mfg. did his job correctly and to my ears MOST don't, they are as quote ((((they get all fuzzy, shrill,& thin sounding up there )))))) that is what i strive to reach but some just will not get there even with all that I have learned to do, so far and still learning on different guitars thanks for your observations and thoughts, but I have herd some guitars that are tooo fat as well and have NO bite at all to them and some pickers like that also but not I:::: I LOVE that PUSH/PULL tone of all those and others like Herb S. Herby W. on his older recordings just to name a few because when u have played a P/P guitar for 19 years as I have it will take a GREAT all pull to take it's place in the TONE Dept. TOMMY
Ron don't know what you did nor were trying to do in your after after recording cant distinguish with what you are trying to do only found a few places where I couldn't hear anything in a spot or two sorry but we were doing a comparison of the Tone before I worked on the guitar and after i worked on the same guitar, with all the settings on the steelguitar and IT only So that you could hear the difference in the instrument tone that I made when i did the modifications to it(((((((( we weren't making a how to with computer playing sorry that you were thinking otherwise only changes were made by me mechanically inside the guitar itself WITH NO ELECTRONIC GADGETS NOR COMPUTER ENHANCEMENTS AT ALL )))))))same guitar same volume pedal ((hilton))same amplifier,(((WEB))) same settings each time it was recorded i hope this clears things up for you my friend TOMMY
PS:if you have any ????? please feel free to call or e-mail me my phone # 662-328-9511
In all fairness this post is two years old. Tommy does a lot more tweaking now than he used to and now tweaks more things. One of my students had a Mullen with maxtone and it sounded better than my Mullen. Come to find out, he had installed an Alumitone pickup.
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TB Henry sorry you drag up old post as my MOD has been revised many times since these clips were made you just never quit trying to discredit me and my modifications, you are a discredit to this forum and to the good people that give their time and efferts to give all of us this service, I sincerely hope you find time to do something good for your fellow man somewhere...
as these files are over 2 years old and not even close to the MAXTONE MODIFICATIONS that i do today, thru experimention and hard work i have improved it many times since then...... i hope you find better things to do with your poor managed life than pull up files telling all they are what i do TODAY sorry my friend just facts...
TOMMY YOUNG
MAX-TONE MODIFICATIONS
BMI dealer,Classic VIBE 100 amp... SIT strings..
Tommy, You are hard for me to get in touch with you I have called several times and missed.
As you know I have played your guitars in St Louis and Dallas, they sounded very good.
Also you were up front when I asked you about modding my guitar you said and I quote,
"I cannot improve that guitar" so all guitars cannot be improved, this may help some to understand there are limits to many things.
When Nan and I were learning to play in 1947 we had simple guitars 6 strings no pedals, simple amps low watts, the girls teaching Sarah Mary, they told us to hit a note and turn the knob till the sound just tarted to brighten that was the best sound. Boy was it simple back then. It worked for us.
Could be I had my eyes on Nan and it made the world seem right.
A LITTLE LOVE BETWEEN US ALL MAY HELP.
Taking the recordings at face value and breaking them down in segmants going from one to the other, i prefur the modded one. To my ears the modded one has more claity in string seperation and the lows are more defined, the HIs seem to be a little more crisper. They both sound good and i love the song what ever it is.
The rhythm section sounds better on the "unmodded" track, but the steel guitar definitely sounds better on the "modded" track.
On the track with the modded steel, the rhythm guitar isn't EQ'd nearly as well (it's muddy), and the bass player misses quite a few changes. The tempo also seems to drag a bit on the "modded" track. But focusing on comparing the tone of the steel guitar between each track (which I believe was the objective here), in my opinion, the modded guitar wins by a long shot. Much smoother and richer tone overall, better string separation, high notes are much cleaner and more distinct. It's hard to believe that some can't hear any difference between the two. I think the difference in the rhythm section between the two are skewing the result for some folks. My opinion only.
Excellent playing and arrangement on both tracks, whoever did it. I'm gonna have to learn to play that song. I wonder if Greg ever got around to tabbing it out?
In all fairness this post is two years old. Tommy does a lot more tweaking now than he used to and now tweaks more things. One of my students had a Mullen with maxtone and it sounded better than my Mullen. Come to find out he had installed an Alumitone pickup.
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