Cor`s Problem

Eric West · Post by **Eric West** » 30 Oct 2004 8:33 pm

Just a warning to the wise here Farris.

b0b doesn't have much tolerance for Pro-American rhetoric or patriotic jingoism here.

We're working on him..

EJL

John Davis · Post by **John Davis** » 30 Oct 2004 10:06 pm

Hey Bob I did`ent know Arnie was a member!!

I wish I had the money to buy the Emmons Co.
I love their products!!
But if they are in a bind I would`ent mind putting up the few bucks for their forum membership if only to find out when Cor`s guitar is going to be ready!!!!!!!

Hey Bobbe S. Welcome aboard, If you could post me that tuner we spoke of....Many Thanks JD

Post by **Joey Ace** » 30 Oct 2004 10:51 pm

Arnie has the money to buy the company.

Tom Keller · Post by **Tom Keller** » 31 Oct 2004 2:18 am

b0b doesn't have much tolerance for Pro-American rhetoric or patriotic jingoism here.

He has no less tolerance for it than I do.

Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 31 Oct 2004 4:02 am

hello to all my friends,if i worded something wrong,no harm intended to anyone.i love you guys,and enjoy the forum very much.i'd like to see Emmons and sho-bud right down town Nashville like the good old days!!walk in and pick out one.mabe!!!
oh well, farris

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 31 Oct 2004 5:52 am

""the Lashleys are not members of the Steel Guitar Forum"
But I am SURE they know someone who is.
And just like Lloyd Green sometimes responds through a proxy,
so could they.

Meanwhile : Silence, stonewalling, circling the wagons, lawyers advice etc.
= PR catastrophy.

Ah, the power of an open forum to provide information and air disputes,
rather than leaves things in a silent nether world.

Some one said one bad apple spoils the bunch.
How many of us buy the bunch of grapes with the one moldy one on top,
VS. look for another bunch all in good condition, just in case the one bad grape has spoiled the bunch.

I am worried that I will be a good grape sitting 22 grapes away from a moldy one, that no one wants,

And soon headed for the dust bin from guilt by association. Along with dozens of other good grapes.

Metaphorically speakling of course.

6 degrees of separation, with a 50 / 50 chance... not odds I like.

Just as Cors problem, and reflectively Emmons by Lashley's,
is magnified by a information delivery service,
we here, are also magnified.
And of course we here on the forum AND in the achhmm "real world", need to be circumspect in our pronouncements,
AND silences.

You can send a SCREAMINGLY loud... message with aquiecent silence.
As well as a high decible, on target, rant.[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 31 October 2004 at 06:06 AM.]

Post by **Joey Ace** » 31 Oct 2004 6:37 am

"And just like Lloyd Green sometimes responds through a proxy, so could they."

They have when they emailed a statement to b0b requested Cor's original post be closed.

See http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/008225-2.html

Tom Callahan · Post by **Tom Callahan** » 31 Oct 2004 6:51 am

Just a suggestion;
Some one posted that this Gentleman has the cancelled check showing that they cashed it. It this correct? I thought he sent a moneygram. How do you get the orginal of a money gram after it has been cancelled.
Someone posted that they have seen the receipt. Why not send a fax copy to a member that can post on the forum and let the put the receipt and the check or money gram (both sides) and then everyone can view this "evidence".
It was my understanding that this gentleman could not play anymore due to being in a accident and now suffering from muscle jerks and related problems. Did or did not he receive a new guitar from another company?
Can and does he play it?
Has anyone personaly spoken to anyone at emmons about this.

What in the heck is the mother of Rebecca doing cashing a check and then forwarding it to her when the check went to the "address they settled at"?

I can't sort this out due to the lack of response from Emmons, (They are not member and cannot post here} Have they not in the past sent e-mail to Bob and had that information posted on the forum. (I may be wrong about this).

There are probably people on this forum that are Emmons dealers and I am quiet sure that they have probably contacted Emmons and I for one would like to hear what they found out.

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Tom Callahan
Emmons S-10
Nashville 400
[This message was edited by Tom Callahan on 31 October 2004 at 06:53 AM.]

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 31 Oct 2004 7:16 am

Ah yes, the old a good defence is a big offence right of the bat.

Silence the talk and maybe it will all go away.
So they are reading this....
hhhmmmm. I bet this makes their shorts a bit damp.

I met Ron jr. very briefly at ISGC, and did NOT get the sense he wanted to sell me a guitar.
Not quite like W.C. Fields " go away boy you bother me." but...
certainly not what I would have expected.

I was in MANY stands there, and people were eager to help and let my try things,
but not oppressively so. Or just talk steel.

But I got the sense he thought all he needed was the name and it would sell itself.

In the other thread Bobbe explained why he stopped being a new Emmons/Lashley dealer. ... also quite telling.

Anouncing ; we are fine, shut up the complainers, is not he same as dealing with the problem at hand.

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 31 Oct 2004 7:40 am

Tom at this moment i haven't a guitar
i couldn't play at this time
and the receipt from the moneygram office
will be posted here soon as possible.

cor

Bob Cox · Post by **Bob Cox** » 31 Oct 2004 7:51 am

Once we had a wonderful roof job done buy a reputal company.Later on at another location called on the company seeing how they had a good name,to do our next job,Uh, Oh the owner passed on and their sons couldn't run the show due to a social problem,and kept a deposit similar to Cor,s.Well the rains came still no roof,then the ice ,no roof.Money was spent and they were lookin for more people to use to keep their show afloat.All the lawyers in the usa couldn't get the money from them,they are in business in another name and playin the same game.I did get my money back in another way,and you can bet they will never full with me again.

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 31 Oct 2004 7:51 am

Tom

I called Cor a few minutes ago and he stated that there is such a receipt.Let me just say that it is not my intention to kick someone while he is down.
But you wanted to see if there was such a receipt.
Look below

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6[This message was edited by Ronald ! on 01 November 2004 at 01:27 AM.]

John P. Phillips · Post by **John P. Phillips** » 31 Oct 2004 8:02 am

When I was growing up, a deal on a handshake was as binding as a court decision.(the way most folks felt about it)
I wish we could do business that way now. I still hold to the old addage that your word is your bond. But I guess it's just the way things are these days. When I shake on something TODAY,or give my word, I will try my utmost to do exactly as I say. Even if it hurts.
Saying that, I sincerely hope this issue can be resolved. My two-cents worth

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JUST 'CAUSE I STEEL, DON'T MAKE ME A THIEF www.geocities.com/squire592001/jason.html

[This message was edited by John P.Phillips on 31 October 2004 at 08:06 AM.]

Ron ! · Post by **Ron !** » 31 Oct 2004 8:09 am

If you guys want a better image of this receipt you will have to copy and paste it on your comp and use paint to make it more visible.My picturehost does not allow me to use up to 6mb pics.

Ron

Nikaro SD10 4x6

Tom Callahan · Post by **Tom Callahan** » 31 Oct 2004 8:17 am

Cor;
With this recept in hand, I make the following suggestion as these people will follow up on the problem.
First file a complaint with the Internation Chamber of commerce. You can find them on the web.

Next file a formal grievance with the chambe of commerce and the better business bureau in the local town where the company is located.

Next file a formal complaint with the business Licnesing (Iknow I spelled that wrong but I am in a hurry) and file a formal complaint with them. They have to power to revok or suspend the licnese of any company that is practicing unethical tactics.
I certainly wish you the best and hope that one of the orginzations can help you.

P.S. None of thes orginazations will cost you a dime to use.

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Tom Callahan
Emmons S-10
Nashville 400

Per Berner · Post by **Per Berner** » 31 Oct 2004 8:23 am

Why hasn't some ambulance chasing lawyer jumped on this long ago, to offer his free services? From what we usually hear on this side of the pond, there's hardly a shortage of litigators in the US. Just wondering...

Cor Muizer Jr · Post by **Cor Muizer Jr** » 31 Oct 2004 8:37 am

well thanks a lot Tom,

it helps me more when people understand the problem i have and will believe me because i'm not rumor here on the forum if it wasn't true.

my best

cor

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 31 Oct 2004 10:05 am

Per, "Ambulance Chasers" look for cases with really BIG dollar potential, not $4,500 cases where no one suffered bodily injury. To most of us, $4,500 is a lot of money, but not to a big-time lawyer.

Tom Olson · Post by **Tom Olson** » 31 Oct 2004 10:52 am

Jim's got it right -- "ambulance chasers" (Personal Injury attorneys) take cases on a contingency fee basis. That is, the client agrees to give the lawyer a percentage of any compensation won by the lawyer (on average about 33%, give or take). So, for $4,500, a lawyer would get $1,500 if he could win, plus maybe some additional attorney fees. Something like this may take 100 hours or more of the attorney's time, not even counting the paralegal's time and any extra costs. It's not worth it.

Small claims court would be the way to go if you had to do it in the US, and if the case qualified.

John Davis · Post by **John Davis** » 31 Oct 2004 3:21 pm

Poor Old Cor!!!
Same ol question`s Same ol answers!!!!!!!!
read the full seven pages you guy`s He has answered it all before!
I have phoned the states myself three times on his behalf trying to get some help for him! Not cheap from here! Forget Lawyers/ Debt collectors/Better business / A.General
This forum is all we got!!!!!!and as far as support goes for the most part its pretty damn good!
If I lived within 500 miles of Burlington you could bet your peterson tuner that I would have found him some serious help by now!!!!
As I have said before, litigation at this distance and without local knowledge is nearly impossible.........

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 31 Oct 2004 3:34 pm

.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 07:07 PM.]

Farris Currie · Post by **Farris Currie** » 31 Oct 2004 11:10 pm

WELL SAID JIM,!!!!!!!!!!

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 31 Oct 2004 11:21 pm

Jim I don't feel insulted by John...

What I did see was several people, but far from all, not seeing all the posts and questioning if this is all true.
Or just repeating previous parts of the thread, likely from eye fatigue.

What John is suggesting is, not a collection,
but for some local steeler who never expects to EVER play an Emmons by Lashely,

to become Cor's representitive localy vs the company in small claims court.

Which I think is the most likely venue, and course for full restitution for Cor.

The receipt scan is indeeed too small to actually read in any photo app,
but certainly a 6mb file isn't needed either.
Please find a happy medium

John Davis · Post by **John Davis** » 31 Oct 2004 11:35 pm

Well I am sorry if you feel insulted Jim That was not my intention, But surely you can see the repitition of the statements and questions on this topic? There are so many people wringing their hands here but doing nothing practical to help the situation. At least my efforts have been more than just read it and feel sorry for the guy!!
If anyone else feels insulted, I apologise.
the soapbox is gone!!
Now, can we have some more helpful suggestions?

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 1 Nov 2004 1:34 am

1)we could, indivisdually send an email to Emmons asking what this affair is all about
2) we could send, collectively, the same inquiry
just submerge Emmons lettin' them know the ravages this thread and situation have been causing