The Steel Guitar Forum

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 8:51 am**

tbhenry,

Don't stop now! Your nudging out pessimisms is a wecome change. You've laid the groundwork for a mutual consensus by citing the better part of trial and error. Your message contains pertinent and informative information to keep this thread in the bounds of civility. Thanks...

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 9:26 am**

Okay Bill. Do what you gotta do.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 9:42 am**

Mr. Bill,This is all about the steel guitar,Right ? Please ans one question,WHY won't you share some of your picking with us

There have been other forum members that offered to supply you with what ever you needed,even offered to come to your home and help you,With each offer you allways had some lame excuse. and would CHANGE the subject,got to admite you are a MASTER at that.

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 10:43 am**

Charles,

I enjoy entertaining as much as others from what I gather. In 1992, I accepted an invitation from Bob Maickel, founder of The Pedal Steel Guitar Association Inc., in Floral Park, N.Y. to perform on the annual show that is presented in November each year. As a bandmember, I've played on dozens of venues, and events throughout the tri-states. N.Y., Ct.,Ma,, and a few in Vermont. To say that I'm refusing to share my music, just isn't fair. After viewing scores of performances on You Tube, it's only natural to be hesitant without first deciding how best to go about doing so. My steel really and truly delivers melodies that are not the usual sounds of standard lever setups. That hopefully would be a big plus for the benefit of those who are interested in diversified, and dissimilar harmonic melody lines.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 10:53 am**

Bill Hankey wrote:Former teams such as: Rhodes/Charleton and Bryant/West have demonstrated in the past, that "Action speaks louder than words", as support instrumentalists in performances that created a rush of admiring fans attempting to emulate their musical abilities. The country music and jazz oriented musicians during the 50's and 60's numbered in the hundreds in Nashville,Tn. Texas, and with lesser concentrations throughout the land. "Apprised Of The Road To Stardom", closet musicians from every state in the union were making their bids to chase after the phenoms who were the originators of desirable techniques as support musicians. Today the mad rush of modernly song writers seemingly produce lyrics that only the author can relate to. There isn't much to excite the sentiments of music that won me over from the beginning. It has all but disappeared from the concerts across America. We are not hearing from songwriters nearly as much today, as we once did in the past.

After 178 posts,you would have thought I would have learned something about this topic!
Not a thing. Something about THE ROAD TO STARDOM

Maybe some Star can jump in and tell me what this topic is all about. Joe

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 11:26 am**

Joe,

If I must pull out some technical observances of my own, I become distracted when I witness a player CLAWING at the steel. The steel is an instrument that responds to the many aspects of FINESSE. That is the secret of players who develop unbelievable deliveries. It's impossible to develop a fast version of "Sugar Foot Rag" by clutching, clawing, etc. the strings. Bring up the volume, and pick with a side motion picking technique, that deftly vibrates each note, before moving with lightning quickness to the next note of the melody. They say that you can't teach an "Old dog new tricks". That's a half-truth, if I've ever heard one.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 11:52 am**

Bill you trying to teach me how to play the steel guitar

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 12:05 pm**

Bill Hankey wrote:Joe,

If I must pull out some technical observances of my own, I become distracted when I witness a player CLAWING at the steel. The steel is an instrument that responds to the many aspects of FINESSE. That is the secret of players who develop unbelievable deliveries. It's impossible to develop a fast version of "Sugar Foot Rag" by clutching, clawing, etc. the strings. Bring up the volume, and pick with a side motion picking technique, that deftly vibrates each note, before moving with lightning quickness to the next note of the melody. They say that you can't teach an "Old dog new tricks". That's a half-truth, if I've ever heard one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6VD5uTT ... re=related

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 12:23 pm**

Joe,

No Joe! Why would you think that? I wouldn't entertain thoughts of taking on the task of getting involved with someone who according to reports, in all probabilities, could teach me the art of playing a pedal steel guitar.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 12:58 pm**

Mr. Clinesmith uses cables on his new pedal guitars; certainly not "dead", but certainly uncommon these days. There are photos on the Forum...somewhere

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 2:28 pm**

Rick,

Just when I needed proof, you saved the day! I need to delve into his operations. I haven't a clue where to look to locate Mr. Clinesmith. Thanks a bunch Rick!

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 3:48 pm**

Follow the link...scroll down...there you'll find Steve Waltz's new Clinesmith. My God it's tremendous!!! Enjoy

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... highlight=

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:12 pm**

Mr. Bill,Like allways you answered with the same old silly BS.Who cares what you did years ago,we are talking about NOW. What difference what kind of pedal setups are out there. If your steel REALLY can deliver melodies that are not the usual sounds that would be a BIG plus for the benefit of those who are interested in diversified and dissimilar harmonic melody lines.

Seems you are being selfish by keeping all this knowledge from the masses.

YOU BETCHA, DYK?BC.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:21 pm**

...and it's gone. Disgustful? That's a new one to me.
Must be an Americanism. It's not in Collins British English Dictionary. Yooze Yanks! What're you like with your strange lingo?

Arch.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:24 pm**

Charles,Would you like to know my set up? It's different,I'm not selfish

Joe

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:38 pm**

Here you go Bill, so what? Probably the only current steel being built with cable drive. IMO, more of an homage′ to Bigsby than a practicality.
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/userpix0 ... der2_1.jpg

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:51 pm**

Archie,

Thanks Archie! I'm totally elated. What a wonderful change you've made. It's all the proof I need that you can be a great humorist. It helps to make others laugh, while keeping with the thread's subject matter.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 4:55 pm**

Barry,

Thanks for the assist. A wonderful gesture on your part. It is very much appreciated.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 9:00 pm**

Bill,You still don't have the cohonies to ans.a simple ques.You NEVER have,Doubt if you ever will.The biggest laugh of the day was when YOU called Arch uncouth ,JEEEZE.And you of all people are accusing someone of stooping low. And get your facts right ,[if that's possible] Those ridge running polecats as you called arch,Pole cats are a European carnivorous mammal not American. I'm still waiting for this NEW STYLE of steeling you were bragging about a few months ago. WHERE IS IT

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Posted: **26 Jul 2010 9:53 pm**

Oh quit pickin' on him Bamma..He's probably stuck up there on one of his mountains..

Posted: **27 Jul 2010 2:47 am**

You really do need to relax, Bill.
Getting yourself all Ayr United about nowt.

Arch.

Posted: **27 Jul 2010 6:31 am**

On the lighter side.........Let's see.....putting cables on a push pull guitar....."That's like shooting pool with a rope"...... (-;

Bill, I don't enjoy seeing anyone get piled on time and time again.......Its just a steel guitar,......no more, no less......Build 'em, play 'em, anyway you want...there is no conspiracy, stopping anyone, from doing anything, with this instrument......The glass is either half full, or empty.... Limitations are set individually within our mental perception. The choice is yours, my friend.

Life is short, we just lost another legend, Ben Keith. He was a quiet man in the steel guitar world, who left a huge footprint. He will be forever remembered as one of the instruments first pioneers.

Paul

Posted: **27 Jul 2010 6:43 am**

Nuff said....thanks Paul, now maybe this goofy-as*ed thread will conclude.

Posted: **27 Jul 2010 10:07 am**

Paul,

Thanks for your words of wisdom. I regret the passing of Ben Keith. I met face to face with Winnie Winston in Armonk, N.Y. in 1992. A number of steel players were exiting the players room, including Winnie during a break. He was very kind. His passing, and Jeff Newman's left a terrible void in the hearts of steel guitar hopefuls. I somehow associate Ben Keith with Winnie Winston. I missed out on Jeff's lectures that always interested me. It would have been great to have spent a week under his tutorage at the lodging near his home. It's very rewarding to know that you keep in touch with the steel guitar community. I appreciate your input and your professional comments.

Posted: **27 Jul 2010 10:31 am**

Archie,

Thanks Archie! I wish you the very best that life has to offer. My candle is burning down Archie. What I wouldn't give, to light another.

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