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Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:17 am
by Damir Besic
the person who carries the gun for protection can easily become the person who becomes the aggressor
as easy as the person without a gun can become a victom in the same scenario...
A knife is a tool that can be used as a weapon, whereas a gun is ONLY a weapon
I think a hunter will aproach his gun as a tool first, same with a competition shooter or a police officer, and "weapon" can be anything and it doesn`t apply to the handguns and guns only, hammer used in a homocide is a "weapon" , even a snicker used in the attack in the last case in "Gina 6" was classified as a "weapon", anything you use to cause a bodily harm to somewone will be ,by police, categorized as a "deadly weapon"...
by the way, Chicago has a total gun restriction where is impossible for a regular citizen to carry a gun, and at the same time Chicago has the worst crime rate in the country.....
Db
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:24 am
by Tony Prior
Twayn, a drawn KNIFE is and is considered to be a threat of life. You are carrying a concealed weapon. Sure, it's a knife and legal, but a weapon just the same.
While it is certainly feasible that folks who carry concealed can also commit a crime of passion, when we read or hear news of shooting incidents, we hardly ever , if at all, hear that a person carrying concealed with a permit, gunned down inocent victims or instigated the crime. Actually it's more common to hear that the incidents took place in area's or places where handguns were outlawed and licensed owners did NOT carry in that location because it is indeed a felony to do so. We constantly hear in the News stories that the criminal had an illegal handgun.
I believe this subject is easily taken out of the concealed carry permit discussion to a different discussion of some folks who do abuse handguns, make that all guns. So far there are no overwhelming statistics that state that legally licensed gun owners are committing vicious crimes against unknowing citizens. There are no stats stating that folks who are carrying concealed are walking into 7/11's and decide at the spur of the moment to perpetrate a crime, because they have a gun.
The discussion of musicians carrying concealed is not the same discussion as some poor soul coming home from work having his wife shoot him as he comes thru the door. A piece of paper ( permit) is not going to prevent that one way or the other.
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:29 am
by Damir Besic
Sure, it's a knife and legal
only if it has a blade lenght of 4 inches or less...
it's more common to hear that the incidents took place in area's or places where handguns were outlawed and licensed owners did NOT carry in that location
that`s why we have mass shootings in restorant`s, mall`s or schools, because those criminals know that in those placese they don`t face a danger of being shot dead by a HCP holder...
Db
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:32 am
by Tony Prior
NC has no knife "length" law, we talked about this in our class last weekend. You can buy a BIG Hunting knife at Wallmart !
You're a very wise man DB..
tp
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:33 am
by Damir Besic
ok, ussualy they specifie the lenght, NC must be different then...but same difference, to me the knife is as deadly weapon as a gun, no difference...
Db
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:36 am
by Damir Besic
TP, thank you, I`m honored to hear something like that from a person like you Sir...
Db
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:37 am
by Tony Prior
A knife is an equal threat against life if someone has made the decision to use one . Yes DB, same thing.
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 10:40 am
by Tony Prior
OK DB, kool, a few months back you posted a few photo's of some fine pieces..I knew you rocked right there and then ! I knew that if I ever grew up I wanted to be just like you !
tp
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 11:06 am
by Twayn Williams
Tony Prior wrote:Twayn, a drawn KNIFE is and is considered to be a threat of life. You are carrying a concealed weapon. Sure, it's a knife and legal, but a weapon just the same.
I didn't say otherwise.
Yes, if you draw a knife on someone it's assault with a deadly weapon. But if you draw a knife on an apple it's a tool. The same just can't be said about a gun. (Now I've got visions in my head of people trying to peel apples with .357's
)
Tony Prior wrote:The discussion of musicians carrying concealed is not the same discussion as some poor soul coming home from work having his wife shoot him as he comes thru the door.
When that disturbed soul could be the same person, yes, I think it is germane to the discussion. That's the whole point. Good lord, musicians can be some of the most disturbed people around!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 11:32 am
by John Drury
Hey Mikey,
That gal on page 6, I think I know her!
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 11:36 am
by Damir Besic
Twayne, this is a topic for people who have HCP, so since you don`t have one and obviosly hate guns, maybe ,and just maybe, this is not a topic for you...
Db
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 12:12 pm
by Tony Prior
Twayne, I agree that if you are deranged there is a problem, and if you come home from work and get shot by your wife a permit is generally not needed !
NC permit application requires allowing the State access to medical records, I don't know if that is the same all over, but it is a requirement here. I guess if you tell them you are crazy they need to verify it !
There is no doubt that in some cases wacko's will indeed cause an issue but like I stated earlier, the crime stats to date don't point to folks carrying handguns with permits. Our nation is NOT going to go backwards and retract over 200 years of Constitution, we need to go forward. Removing handguns from the folks who are not known to cause crimes is not going forward, it's a band aid to the problem. IF our courts enforced the laws and had stiffer laws with mandatory penalties we would see a decline. You see, I too am sick and tired of some armed thug getting off with a slap because his daddy didn't buy him a Gameboy when he was 12.
Enforce the laws, make them stiffer, have mandatory sentences. The word will get out fast. A society is only as good as the laws that are enforced.
Think about it, I am not a criminal and have no intent to be, I do have a few handguns for the sole purpose of sport and self defense should that ever be necessary. Why are people mad at me ? Why does Rosie O'Donnell want MY gun taken away from me ?
makes no sense.
I have a Z06 Corvette in my garage, it will cruise at 175, why don't they take it away from me, the highest speed limit around here is 70. The very thought of me driving REAL fast should be enough for society to remove this kool machine from my grasp.
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 12:19 pm
by Michael Douchette
John Drury wrote:Hey Mikey,
That gal on page 6, I think I know her!
GOT A PHONE NUMBER?? She can meet us over at GGC...
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 12:25 pm
by Twayn Williams
Michael Douchette wrote:John Drury wrote:Hey Mikey,
That gal on page 6, I think I know her!
GOT A PHONE NUMBER?? She can meet us over at GGC...
Hey, let me in on some of that action
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 12:37 pm
by Twayn Williams
Tony Prior wrote:NC permit application requires allowing the State access to medical records, I don't know if that is the same all over, but it is a requirement here. I guess if you tell them you are crazy they need to verify it !
You must have more faith in the competence of government than I do
I agree with your call for stiffer penalties. However, the idea that only criminals or the crazy use guns on other people is of course unrealistic. I'm kinda reminded of that old Lynyrd Skynyrd song "Give Me 3 Steps"
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 2:06 pm
by Archie Nicol
Damir, old buddy; You should get your rear over to the other place(Off Topic). It's fun and gun at the same time.
Arch.
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 3:04 pm
by Damir Besic
Archie Nicol wrote:Damir, old buddy; You should get your rear over to the other place(Off Topic). It's fun and gun at the same time.
Arch.
never been to Scotland, would love to go..Scotland and Ireland are places I would love to visit
Db
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 7:13 pm
by John Drury
That was supposed to be a joke guys!
What is GGC?
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 8:20 pm
by Michael Douchette
Posted: 18 Jun 2008 8:33 pm
by John Bechtel
The biggest difference between a gun and a knife is: The gun makes more noise! Therefore, I think a knife is more dangerous! I once knew a Secret-Service Agent who was never afraid of any gun, but; he was really concerned when it came to knives!
Posted: 19 Jun 2008 11:54 am
by John Drury
Mikey,
Thanks for the link, all the years I've lived in Gallatin I didn't know there was a gun club and range, I have been going up to greenbrier to shoot.
I'll have to see about joining.
Posted: 19 Jun 2008 12:03 pm
by John Bechtel
Hey, John D.; I've belonged to the Owl Hollow Gun Club for 10-years now! It's located in the Spring Hill/Thompson Station area. It's a covered outdoor range for handgun and long gun (25’ to 300-yds.) and the cost for membership is under $50 per yr., so far! It's about 35-mi. from Nashville and out in the country. email me for more details, if you wish.
John B.
PSGPlayer@webtv.net
Posted: 19 Jun 2008 2:16 pm
by Archie Nicol
I don't think anybody has ever been stabbed from ten yards away.
Arch.
Posted: 19 Jun 2008 2:24 pm
by Jody Sanders
Mikey, I think I recognize those cheeks. Jody.
Posted: 19 Jun 2008 2:28 pm
by Michael Douchette
Archie Nicol wrote:I don't think anybody has ever been stabbed from ten yards away.
Arch.
That's why anyone that's had training will tell you a knife is far more dangerous than a gun. Most likely, the BG won't have much practice time in, and he/she will miss with a gun. The up close and personal nature of the knife make it far more lethal.
Oh... Jody, DO tell... !