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Posted: **1 Oct 2010 7:58 am**

Barry,

What an amazing songwriter. I think he wrote the song that Connie Smith sang: "Walk Out Backwards, And I'll Think You're Walking In" plus "City Lights", and "STILL". Thanks Barry..

Posted: **1 Oct 2010 8:38 am**

Bill,
Bill Anderson is one of my favorite songwriters as well.
I want to mention two: Between Lust and watching TV and
The Lord Knows I'm Drinkin'

Cal Smith sang both of those. The steel on them was outa this world. It's the kind of picking that stays in my head for decades. Can someone tell me who played steel on those? For some reason, Johnny Cox sticks in my head but I am quite sure I am wrong. Someone please clarify this for me

Posted: **1 Oct 2010 12:59 pm**

Charles,
I am sure many people don't remember names of songs as easily as you maybe. It is like with person names: I am not as good remembering names as I was at age 25 and I am sure neither are you. My wife can't remember names of movies.
It is a memory thing and it deteriorates with age.
I think in all fairness that it is not even worth mentioning.

I WOULDN'T BET ON IT YIK OB

Posted: **1 Oct 2010 1:24 pm**

Bent,I bet if you or I,or most on this forum were given a song or songs to learn and given six days to learn them,we WOULD know the name of the song. even a SIMPLE request as this,WON'T get an answer from Mr. Bill. Somehow he gets away with a lot,He posts these superfluous ambiguous dissimulate threads that can't be understood by anyone,he smears others that don't buy his crap,When too many calls him out,then he starts asking for the thread to be closed,Ever notice that ? He LOVES the attention,thrives on it. Makes him happy as a kitten with a Q tip. Notice how many post by anyone that is is not pro BH that gets deleted,wonder why ?. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Posted: **1 Oct 2010 4:47 pm**

To be honest with you Bill, it sounds like the person is a PRIMADONNA.Going through with what I call the SUPERSTAR syndrome. People like need a dose of reality.
Tommy Shown
SMFTBL

Posted: **1 Oct 2010 5:35 pm**

Tommy,

Bingo! I know for sure that a New York State steel guitarist took her to class, but to no avail.

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 5:03 am**

One week............
My comment is usually......I dont learn new material quickly. I learned two Buddy Emmons licks and know just how they are done.....I cant do them but I know how they are done.

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 8:40 am**

BC If you can't make heads nor tails of something usually it's a tale.
For lack of a witness who can know the truth especially when a person speaks metaphorically.
Sometimes a lie is more interesting than the truth
We used to have to go to a bar to embellish our life story, now we have the Net.
When it comes to the Steel Guitar Forum I’m grateful when someone thinks enough of me to take the time and effort to make up a good lie instead of boring me with their mundane live experiences.
In general if you're going to lie for heaven sakes take the time and effort to tell a good one!
The older I get the better I was!

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 11:04 am**

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 1:29 pm**

Thanks Roual, it looks good to me.

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 5:41 pm**

Bent Romnes wrote:Bill,
Bill Anderson is one of my favorite songwriters as well.
I want to mention two: Between Lust and watching TV and
The Lord Knows I'm Drinkin'

Cal Smith sang both of those. The steel on them was outa this world. It's the kind of picking that stays in my head for decades. Can someone tell me who played steel on those? For some reason, Johnny Cox sticks in my head but I am quite sure I am wrong. Someone please clarify this for me

Hal Rugg!!!

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 7:20 pm**

Bill Hankey wrote:Thanks to all of you who have responded to the caustic comment made by a lady in red.

Stuart Legg wrote:Are you referring to Tamara or Little Red Riding Hood? Oh! you mean the Smart A that give the ultimatum.

I got my EYE on you, Stuart. Must be the little red hooded girl because my statement wasn't caustic.

Posted: **2 Oct 2010 8:00 pm**

It's been a week now since this thread started. Time has expired. Have we learned it yet? Have we learned anything?

Posted: **3 Oct 2010 1:15 am**

Earnest,

Thank you for putting your genius on hold, while making a brief inquiry. Most of the responses have attributed to those little wake-up calls that adds to the zest of exploration on the pedal steel guitar. I have a ton of fun here in Massachusetts, playing virtually all country music. I am honored by receiving your brief query on the subject of the lady in red. "Little" remarks directed at musical abilities, have the effectiveness of carrying over, rather than getting pushed aside, and forgotten. I would guess much depends on who makes the remarks. The remark in question is much too trivial to receive this much attention, I'm sure you would agree. On a separate note, I'm still trying to put a name on the face of a classical music devotee on the p.s.g., who was from Pennsylvania. I heard him play in Wallingford, Ct. nearly 30 years ago. If I catch up with the lady who enjoys needling steel guitarists, I'll attempt to obtain a copy of the advanced picker. That is, if she still has it in the programming.(All in fun of course, I enjoy getting called out.) No harm done; I've never implied that. As a matter of fact, it's a compliment to think that she would think that just maybe I could catch those hot licks in just seven days. I'm anticipating chasing down the mystery picker.

Posted: **3 Oct 2010 11:36 am**

Tamara,

I'm not positive about colors worn; it's just that I see red when I dust off memories of a night out to support country music. I think her favorite colors are red shirts and black jeans. Please don't hold me to it.

Posted: **4 Oct 2010 1:40 am**

Earnest,

You've alluded to LEARNING in your short note, and perhaps I was a bit remiss in giving a direct answer. The truth of the matter is that the pedal steel guitar provides a sustaining interest that is always present. The only important differences between players, that I can think of, are choices made in preferring high toned classical jazz, or country music. Those who are linked with the jazziest renditions written for keyboards and horn sections, seem to get the most recognition in musical circles. A lot of the popularity is gained through word of mouth by percussionists, fellow jazzmen, guitarists, etc. in and about jazz concerts. What about country? Where does that musical form fit into jazz circles? Really, there is an imbalance in musicianship by mixing jazz into a country ballad. I give you the Tubbs/Chalker recordings. Can you see and hear the contrast? A sort of mismatch of two superb personalities, attempting to blend special interests. You asked, if I had "learned anything yet". The answer is yes! To become more disciplined seated at my pedal steel guitar, will take me there, and back.

Posted: **4 Oct 2010 12:28 pm**

Sorry Tamara I thought Bill said gnostic.

Posted: **5 Oct 2010 11:44 am**

Quote:
PS - do people really not know what "orthogonal" means?

Yes b0b, I admit I had never heard the word before Dave mentioned it, (and I'm 67, if that matters.) Maybe we should take a poll to see how many other illiterati there are (or aren't) here on the Forum who are unfamiliar with 'orthogonal' besides me, or maybe it's time for me to consider a paradigm adjustment just to keep up here.

First, if ever a thread took the scenic route, this is it!

That said, here's a paradigm to consider (something I've been telling English class students for years):

You don't have to know all the words;
you have to know of all the words."

How does it work, you ask (and I outrageously assume)? Simple. when you see a word you're not aware of or don't know (as was othogonal)for me, you get a dictionary and look it up (as I did). How long it might stay with me, or where or when I might use it, who knows, but the awareness is there.

And that, 'good sirs and ma'ams,' is, this teacher submits, what vocabulary is all about.

Great fun thread! Keep it rolling!

Posted: **6 Oct 2010 1:55 am**

James,

Absolutely! I'm excited about the excellent advice that you would give your students to follow. It would be a great service in any situation, when logical communication responses become necessary to fulfill objectives, and to maintain high standards of elucidating possible fundamental differences. I'll roll out the RED carpet for you, hoping that you will visit this thread often, and continue to remind readers how to ease the agitation of stumbling over word meanings. The familiar encumbrances of having to return to Webster's official word meanings, is considered time well spent by enterprising individuals. Believe it or not, there are those who complain to others about the choices of words used in ordinary conversations. Did you ever suggest to them, to open a publication of true word meanings? Perhaps, schooling is OUT for them, all the days of their lives. It's hard to believe, but I've experienced a few scathings by those who still wish to be contrary of future word studies.

Posted: **6 Oct 2010 12:56 pm**

"STEEL GUITAR"-now it's a word we should use more than we do.

, on this topic. Joe

Posted: **6 Oct 2010 1:17 pm**

Bill Hankey wrote:That remark was made to me by a mediocre female country singer, who's husband is a keyboardist. They were playing a prerecorded CD with hot steel "licks" in a club when she decided to speak out. As a steel guitarist, how would you respond to that comment?

So we might recall what this topic is about(its been so long since it was posted)"I'll give you one week to learn it",I would answer ,sure I'll give it a shot. Bill- are you a little paranoid about your playing,that what she said would bother you? Joe

Posted: **6 Oct 2010 9:41 pm**

Joe, You are a WISE man. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Posted: **7 Oct 2010 6:08 am**

Charles Davidson wrote:Joe, You are a WISE man. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

A wise what!

www.willowcreekband.com

Posted: **7 Oct 2010 3:40 pm**

Joe, just seems you are not swayed by BS.

YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.

Posted: **7 Oct 2010 6:00 pm**

Stephen Gregory wrote:Why do you waste time playing with these kind of folks? Find some real musicians to play with, it's the best way to become a better player.

I've never quoted myself before, but, there's always a first time. In addition to the above comments I would recommend more practice and study and less discussion of this now, very tired, subject.

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