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push pull rocks.Can`t get the sound out of it?Well,then you better learn how to play.

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Damir,

well stated

Bruce W

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Bobbe-

I used to leave my P/P in Faron's bus most of the time when were in town between road trips. That bus would sit out in the hot Tennessee sunshine for days at a time.

The cross shaft on the 1st pedal did fall off once (like it wasn't long enough anymore), but I used a button off my shirt as a spacer to fix it and played it that way for over 10 years until I rebuilt the guitar.

C#

Cal,was your Emmons "button on" or "bolt on" or maybe "both on"...

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<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 14 June 2003 at 09:11 PM.]</p></FONT>

I guess it was a button-down cut-tail. Black, of course. Formal, for evening playing. >

I just played a '73 e Emmons S-10 E9 that had been in 95 degree weather all day.
As well as a torrential downpour and drop of about 20 degrees with in the hour before I played it.
It wasn't warped, though after several sweltering days I might have been.

Not a push pull, but it had a great sound from a Fender twin. I sat in on the last few songs of the festival, I had barely gotten the picks on and the guitarist kicked it off.

Never dared try the levers on that tune, and good thing too. It was no where near my set up. Still it played well with A&B only and that was all I needed at the time.
I just sort of fell into this totally unexpected situation, and went in and just winged it with success.

So, I still prefer my Sho-Bud, it's mine and I know it, but I liked this Emmons too. It had a great tone, different and nice.

Based upon the new post about steel guitar tone, I will state that of all the players who come to my shop, at least 95% of them consider "that sound" to be their objective. How they try to achieve it is the next question. There are a few brands on guitars on the market that have a very good tone and are acceptable; however, only the real thing gets one there.

Bruce W

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www.pedalsteel.net <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Bruce W Heffner on 17 June 2003 at 07:59 AM.]</p></FONT>

David, a '73 Emmons would most certainly be a push pull, since it was in the early 80's they went to the all pull LeGrande.

I agree, bruce that there are a lot fo enw guitars that can get a GOOD tone, and get close, but only one guitar aout there has the tone of the push pull......

And one thing to remember, even though nothing other than a push pull can get you "that sound", doesnt mean that other guitars cant get you a GOOD tone. Lloyd did quite well, and always had a GREAT tone from the ShoBud's he played for years... and there are many others.... although if the emmons sound is what you want to hear, I"m afraid to say, there is only one way to get THAT.

Reggie Duncan posted an audio/video clip some time back playing the turnaround on a song called Something Out Of Nothing. Check this out if you want to hear "that sound" on an Emmons PP. Also, pay attention to the sustain. Plus, Reggie plays killer on it. It was so good, I keep it on my computer desktop and play it quite often. Thanks, Reggie for making it available.

George,

Mega dittos. Reggie's incredible break on that tune, is one of the best and most beautiful tones I have ever heard by anyone.

Reggie needs a tip of the hat for that one. It was a killer.

God bless you Reggie, and all of you,

carl

Could some one post a pic of a Push Pull changer and or general mechanics.
If I see it I can know if it is the same.
I insisted he turn the critter over for a good long look.

DANG! I bought a ROSEWOOD S12 p/p last year and now I find out it don't have "That Sound" Heck, I've been playin' it for the last 8 months thinkin' it had it.

Hmmmm, ''wonder if I get it retro-fitted with black mica....

Keep on pickin', ya'll!
Glenn www.kevinfowler.com

<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David Mullis on 17 June 2003 at 08:14 PM.]</p></FONT>

Check out this page on Carter's web site: http://www.steelguitar.com/steelmap/maptop/ppchangr.htm
Click the links on that page for animated views of lowering and raising.

Ok, I guess it was a push pull. Which makes me happier, because I was wanting to try one after following all these PP threads.
I looked at the site above and Gino's pics and It seemed to be a cuttail, but a nice yellow laquer all wood one. No mica to be found. Black serated fingerboard with the playing cards.
It sounded great in the PA and sounded great for me on stage, even if the guitarist amp in my face was away to loud. Someday I'd like S-12 PP I guess.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 17 June 2003 at 03:55 PM.]</p></FONT>

You know the Emmons PP is the only steel I know of that brings this much emotion to the
forum. Why is that?

Chuck,
It's because they are the best! And there'll never be another made that will top them. Most of us Emmons Push Pull owners like our guitars the way football fans from Alabama like the Crimson Tide. I have (3) P/P's myself. As Tony the Tiger says, They're Great.

Nick <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Nick Reed on 17 June 2003 at 09:30 PM.]</p></FONT>

Do all Emmons P/P guitars have "That Sound"? Only the 1975 Rosewood I have and her nickname is "Emmo"! LOL.

Although I have posted this before I will bore everybody with it once more.

I was playing "Emmo" through a Webb amp (the amp I always use) at a local venue one night. The listening audience thought I had bought a new guitar as the tone difference was "That" noticable. The P/P guitars have a very distinctive sound and in my opinion no guitar can replicate "That Sound".

When I play my all pull guitar I get many compliments on tone and how great the steel sounds. When I play "Emmo" the compliments are I have never heard a steel sound "That" good. The tone from "That" guitar is simply amazing. There is so much emotion in "That" guitar that when you shiver the bar way up the neck it makes me cry.

There is a difference in the sound of a P/P guitar and its a very pleasing sound, believe it.

By the way Skip, "Emmo" says hi.<FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Dennis Manuel on 17 June 2003 at 10:17 PM.]</p></FONT><FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by Dennis Manuel on 17 June 2003 at 10:19 PM.]</p></FONT>

To quote my band's keyboard/fiddle/accoustic guitarist (who has played with a number of steelers over the years, listens to all the classic country, has near-perfect-pitch, and the ears of a producer) the night he first heard my push pull through my session 400 "now THAT is how a steel is SUPPOSED to sound" --enough said when even a non-steeler who knows music makes that kind of compliment.

there were times in the past i couldn't decide who was on what cut...one song i was sure was emmons turned out to be lloyd on, of course, a sho-bud. beautiful is beautiful no matter what it's played on.

FWIW, on my first CD, "Finally Here", I used my Fessenden D-10 on all cuts except one, on which I used a pushpull D-10 I bought from Tommy White, which has "that tone". So far, nobody has guessed correctly which one song I used the pushpull on...

But that's no reflection on either guitar!


(here we go again Jim, Ha! Ha!)

Let's see now guys, which one was "acceptable?" <FONT SIZE=1 COLOR="#8e236b"><p align=CENTER>[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 18 June 2003 at 05:50 PM.]</p></FONT>

They were all acceptable.
Jim always sounds great.

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<small>Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

Dennis, poor ole Skip has just about had enough time to forget "Emmo" and you had to post that shiver stuff. Shame on you!
Jerry

Well, I'll go out on the preverbial limb and say that it was the 1'st cut on the CD, Desafinado.
BB

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