Posted: 24 Apr 2019 3:25 pm
Hey BOB if it ain't a cowboy hat or a ball hat I'm out of touch...LOL
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Hate to say that I’ve seen that clip before and while it’s amazing it doesn’t really reach me. Sounds like a lot of big band jazz which is not really my thing and I’d prefer to hearing an actual big band play it.Dennis Brion wrote:Of you want to be impressed go to playpedalsteel.com and watch buddy on the players videos page in a top hat....you talk about lightning....and free style this video is incredible sorry I don't know how to post it here. Really hope everyone checks this video out! If so.done can post it here everyone will enjoy watching!
Paul McEvoy wrote:I know but why can’t I find more stuff like that? It’s so amazing.b0b wrote:That's a great clip! What was Ernest shouting about Shot Jackson in the middle of Buddy's solo? Couldn't quite catch it.Paul McEvoy wrote:I know nothing but have big opinions.
I confess that the majority of Emmons’ playing I’ve heard leaves me cold (despite understanding he helped define the instrument).
But then this particular clip. I’ve watched approx 9000 times over the last couple months and think it’s such an astounding musical performance. Total genius.
But I haven’t found much that feels similar to me.
https://youtu.be/qnEMOQTh27s
Buddy always looked so relaxed as he pulled out those incredible licks - pickin' and grinnin'. His stage presence was something that few players could pull off. Like Jeff Newman or Joe Wright, he was a showman. Most steel players are expressionless until the end of the song, like Jimmy Day.
Someone commented before he’s saying something about a “shot Jackson lick†but I can’t here it totally.
It’s truly a remarkable performance. You could create a BE fan if you could point me towards some more like that.
It's all good fun. Buddy is playing western swing backup in the style of the great non-pedal players, and then when Ernest tosses him a solo he plays Mooney licks. I love it!scott murray wrote:that's a great clip... I first saw it many years ago and I always got the feeling Buddy had his tongue planted firmly in his cheek when he played it. seems to me he's emulating Ralph Mooney to a large degree which was a pretty new and exciting sound at that time but Buddy doesn't really seem convinced.
Sol Hoopii could also be blamed.Jim Cohen wrote:Here's an alternative hypothesis: Buddy didn't ruin steel guitar. Jerry Byrd did. Go.
Wish I had said that!Bob Russell wrote:1. Who says the pedal steel has been "ruined"?
2. If anything "ruins" any music, it's unimaginative players who adopt any one player as their be-all and end-all and don't bring anything of themselves to the table.
Is it possible that you just made the OP's argument in a sentence?Donny Hinson wrote:Wish I had said that!Bob Russell wrote:1. Who says the pedal steel has been "ruined"?
2. If anything "ruins" any music, it's unimaginative players who adopt any one player as their be-all and end-all and don't bring anything of themselves to the table.
The reason that straight guitar is so diverse is that so many players decided not to copy someone else. That's also played a big part in it's popularity.
Donny, I always thought everyone was trying their darndest to copy everyone. Same result, different path. Being able to accompany yourself singing and then rip off a smokin solo may have had something to do with the rise of the git-tar too, which is very rare among steelers.Donny Hinson wrote:The reason that straight guitar is so diverse is that so many players decided not to copy someone else. That's also played a big part in it's popularity.
Look, we all have a right to like what we like. You seem to be into that more guitaristic, chicken-pickin' style more typically emblematic of Ralph Mooney and others. There are lots of people in that club - I love it too. In fact, I'd say that when I started out playing pedal steel, coming from 30+ years of guitar playing, I was coming from a more West Coast, Bakersfield angle. And it showed in my playing - I picked every damned note. But gradually and with some tutelage, I came to realize that I wasn't really exploiting the true beauty of what's in the instrument naturally. You might come to this realization, or you might not. It doesn't matter - do what you want.I know nothing but have big opinions. ... I confess that the majority of Emmons’ playing I’ve heard leaves me cold (despite understanding he helped define the instrument). ... But then this particular clip. I’ve watched approx 9000 times over the last couple months and think it’s such an astounding musical performance. Total genius. ... But I haven’t found much that feels similar to me. ... https://youtu.be/qnEMOQTh27s
I don't think that makes the OP's argument at all. Spanish guitar is much older, with probably tens if not hundreds of millions of practitioners, of course most not at a high level. But guitar is a HUGE field, and this has been building for a very long time. It's portable, relatively cheap, most anybody can learn to make 'em sound semi-decent and loud, and then pretty easily use them to make major musical, social, cultural, and political statements. IMO, guitar became the primary musico-cultural icon of the 20th century, at least its second half. So it stands to reason that there would be a lot more diversification than for pedal steel, a relatively niche instrument that is relatively hard to get ahold of and hard to play. The instrument naturally doesn't lend itself to flashy spectacle - pretty hard to imagine a pedal steel as a phallic symbol and run around the stage with it. It is what it is.The reason that straight guitar is so diverse is that so many players decided not to copy someone else. That's also played a big part in it's popularity.Is it possible that you just made the OP's argument in a sentence?
Exactly. Copy what aspect of his playing? Maybe you can cop one of his famous pop tune solos, like b0b said. But to master pedal steel in Country, pop, and jazz styles, without compromising your soul or the style of music, is not going to happen for most of us. Slaving over any one player’s style is a fool’s errand anyway. Only the masters know exactly how they got there, and are hard pressed to explain it at that.Dave Mudgett wrote:I don't think most pedal steel players have slavishly copied Buddy Emmons. Good luck, anyway - it is very hard to do.
Dave Mudgett wrote:I don't think most pedal steel players have slavishly copied Buddy Emmons. Good luck, anyway - it is very hard to do.
Guilty. Thanks for the "Good Luck" wish because you're right. It is very hard to do. But I have learned so many unexpected things. Sometimes finding little things here and there by pure mistake. Trying to do a kick-off or a turn-around exactly the way Buddy Emmons did it can teach you much more than just the kick-off or the turn-around itself.
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Thankfully, John Hughey didn’t subscribe to that theory.Brad Malone wrote:...I think Jeff Newman said that steels do not sound good above the 17th fret or was it the 15th fret?
The argument that guitar has been around a lot longer, and that's why it's more diverse, is becoming hackneyed. That might have been true in the 1960s, but we're now moving quickly towards 2020. While guitar may have been around for a couple of centuries, I think it's fairly obvious that the significant diversification and the origin of different styles mainly took place in the 60-year period between 1910 and 1970. That's the period that saw guitar go off in dozens of directions stylistically, where before, there were only three or four. Indeed, some of those genres were almost created by the guitar and it's accompanying sound.Dave Mudgett wrote:
I don't think that makes the OP's argument at all. Spanish guitar is much older, with probably tens if not hundreds of millions of practitioners, of course most not at a high level. But guitar is a HUGE field, and this has been building for a very long time. It's portable, relatively cheap, most anybody can learn to make 'em sound semi-decent and loud, and then pretty easily use them to make major musical, social, cultural, and political statements. IMO, guitar became the primary musico-cultural icon of the 20th century, at least its second half. So it stands to reason that there would be a lot more diversification than for pedal steel, a relatively niche instrument that is relatively hard to get ahold of and hard to play. The instrument naturally doesn't lend itself to flashy spectacle - pretty hard to imagine a pedal steel as a phallic symbol and run around the stage with it.
My argument was much more than it's been around a long time. Summarizing and perhaps expanding a bit:The argument that guitar has been around a lot longer, and that's why it's more diverse, is becoming hackneyed.
Trying to do a kick-off or a turn-around exactly the way Buddy Emmons did it can teach you much more than just the kick-off or the turn-around itself.