Bars & Tone ?

Instruments, mechanical issues, copedents, techniques, etc.

Moderator: Shoshanah Marohn

User avatar
Richard Tipple
Posts: 937
Joined: 28 Oct 2003 1:01 am
Location: Ohio, USA
Contact:

Bars & Tone ?

Post by Richard Tipple »

Ive had the same bar for about 25 years now( George-Ls) Never used any other bar in all those years.
Just wondering what bar others are using these days & why you like the bar you are using.
User avatar
James Morehead
Posts: 6944
Joined: 19 May 2003 12:01 am
Location: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Post by James Morehead »

I'd like to be the first to say BJS bars. I love the way they feel, and the way they sustain. 15/16" John Hughey model for me. YMMV
Jim Bob Sedgwick
Posts: 2155
Joined: 23 Jan 1999 1:01 am
Location: Clinton, Missouri USA

Post by Jim Bob Sedgwick »

Richard, if you try a BJS, you'll never look back. They are as smooth as glass, and you get rid of the wound string noise. (not to say George L bars are no good, they are very good)
Jonathan Cullifer
Posts: 1132
Joined: 30 Sep 1998 12:01 am
Location: Gallatin, TN

Post by Jonathan Cullifer »

I've used a George L's bar almost as long as I've been playing. I've tried just about every other type of bar imaginable (powder coat, zirconia, etc) at one point or another. I didn't think there was anything better.

I've been playing a BJS bar for a month and the feel on the strings is night and day. It also took some of the edge off my tone. I couldn't be happier.
Paul Warnik
Posts: 1845
Joined: 1 Mar 2001 1:01 am
Location: Illinois,USA

Post by Paul Warnik »

I have stated here before-If you want to hear the tonal superiority of the BJS bar compare it to any other on an acoustic/resophonic steel-If you can deal with a round bar for Dobro playing you can throw away a Stevens Steel-As soon as Bill Stroud comes out with his "Dobro Bar" (which is according to BJS website "On the drawing board") I will surely be getting one-PW
Bill Stroud
Posts: 1267
Joined: 7 Dec 2003 1:01 am
Location: Dresden, Tennessee, USA * R.I.P.
Contact:

Tone to the bone

Post by Bill Stroud »

Thanks guys for your comments, you know I feel the same way ---->>>>>><<<<<<Bar>>>>
User avatar
Brett Day
Posts: 5041
Joined: 17 Jun 2000 12:01 am
Location: Pickens, SC
Contact:

Post by Brett Day »

I'm using a Sacred Steel grooved bar because round bars slip around in my left hand. I got the bar at the ISGC in 2003. It's definitely my standard bar. The first bar I used was a Dunlop bar and it slid around in my left hand too much and sometimes it wouldn't stay in my left hand. The grooved bar I use is just amazing! I can't switch bars now cause the Sacred Steel is the best bar I've got.


Brett
User avatar
Jack Stoner
Posts: 22087
Joined: 3 Dec 1999 1:01 am
Location: Kansas City, MO

Post by Jack Stoner »

I've been using a BJS bar for about 20 years. I've got other bars but they don't compare to the BJS. I've even dropped the BJS bar on a concrete floor and it didn't nick, ding or anything - no mark.
User avatar
b0b
Posts: 29108
Joined: 4 Aug 1998 11:00 pm
Location: Cloverdale, CA, USA
Contact:

Post by b0b »

I rarely use the same bar for more than 2 songs in a row. Different bars have different tones, and different sizes and shapes will affect your playing style.
User avatar
Greg Cutshaw
Posts: 6610
Joined: 17 Nov 1998 1:01 am
Location: Corry, PA, USA
Contact:

Post by Greg Cutshaw »

I used the same hollowed out Dunlop chromed bar for about 25 years now. To me the hollow bars produce a warmer, more mellow tone but perhaps a tad less sustain. Their lighter weight will also affect your playing if you've previously only used a solid, heavier bar.

Greg
KENNY KRUPNICK
Posts: 3527
Joined: 16 Jul 2000 12:01 am
Location: Grove City,Ohio

Post by KENNY KRUPNICK »

Playing a double neck-10,and using a BJS 15/16" 12 string bar. :D
Brad Malone
Posts: 1440
Joined: 2 Nov 2006 1:01 am
Location: Pennsylvania, USA

BJS great bars

Post by Brad Malone »

I cast another vote for the BJS bars both the 15/16 and 7/8 are great.
Donny Hinson
Posts: 21192
Joined: 16 Feb 1999 1:01 am
Location: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Post by Donny Hinson »

IMHO, "tone" doesn't come from the bar. :roll:


Pick a bar for it's weight and feel. As far as tone goes, I don't think there's any significant tonal differences in bars, as long as the weight, size, and material are similar.
User avatar
b0b
Posts: 29108
Joined: 4 Aug 1998 11:00 pm
Location: Cloverdale, CA, USA
Contact:

Post by b0b »

Donny Hinson wrote:IMHO, "tone" doesn't come from the bar. :roll:


Pick a bar for it's weight and feel. As far as tone goes, I don't think there's any significant tonal differences in bars, as long as the weight, size, and material are similar.
Duh! That's why I have a variety of weights, sizes and materials in my tone bar arsenal. :P
-𝕓𝕆𝕓- (admin) - Robert P. Lee - Recordings - Breathe - D6th - Video
User avatar
Don Sulesky
Posts: 4867
Joined: 14 Jan 1999 1:01 am
Location: Citrus County, FL, Orig. from MA & NH

Post by Don Sulesky »

I like my BJS bar but recently I have found myself using my hollowed out 7/8" Bullet Bar more and more.
I like the feel and tone of it much better and the weight has a lot to do with the feel also.
Don
Donny Hinson
Posts: 21192
Joined: 16 Feb 1999 1:01 am
Location: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Post by Donny Hinson »

b0b wrote:Duh! That's why I have a variety of weights, sizes and materials in my tone bar arsenal. :P
Exactly, Bobby! What I was trying to get across was that significant changes will give different sounds/tones. I have a variety of different bars myself, and I must admit that my stainless bars feel different than my chrome bars, and my stainless bars make a little more string noise than my chrome ones, but there's no appreciable tone difference. Significant differences - a 1/2" bar sounds different than a 1" bar, and a brass bar sounds different than a bakelite bar.

However, the sound/tone/sustain differences between, say, a 7/8" bar and a 15/16" bar of the same type are zippo.
User avatar
b0b
Posts: 29108
Joined: 4 Aug 1998 11:00 pm
Location: Cloverdale, CA, USA
Contact:

Post by b0b »

I would classify "a little more string noise" as a tone difference.
User avatar
Erv Niehaus
Posts: 26797
Joined: 10 Aug 2001 12:01 am
Location: Litchfield, MN, USA

Post by Erv Niehaus »

I like a bar with enough mass to prevent rattles without a lot of down pressure. The more strings you are trying to cover, the more mass your bar should have.
On pedal steel, I really prefer a 15/16" bar.
When I play an 8 string, non-pedal steel, I downsize to a 3/4" bar.
And I downsize further when playing a 6 string lap guitar. When playing a lap guitar, I really prefer a tapered bar.
Brad Malone
Posts: 1440
Joined: 2 Nov 2006 1:01 am
Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Bars

Post by Brad Malone »

Hey Guys, I do think there is a sound difference between the 15/16 and the 7/8 size bars...for slower songs I like to use the 15/16 but for faster songs the 7/8 size BJS bar but for me the 7/8 is the way to go and the 15/16 is just added spice....BJS is my choice...all the way.
User avatar
Bob Knight
Posts: 5096
Joined: 4 Aug 1998 11:00 pm
Location: Bowling Green KY

BJS

Post by Bob Knight »

BJS for 20+ years.
You won't find a better bar, or a better man than Bill Stroud! :)

Bob
15/16 & 7/8 with birthstone
A. J. Schobert
Posts: 1172
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 1:01 am
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio,

Post by A. J. Schobert »

If you can afford to get a variety of bars I would do that.

I use an old Ernie Ball bar (10 string) it is good but the chrome has worn off it.

I bought a Red Rajah bar early this year I love it, but the coating is really coming off, I will probably just get another one.

Also I don't know if they still make these, but I used an old emmons bar and I would have to say I liked that bar so far.
Bobbe Seymour
Posts: 7418
Joined: 12 Jan 2001 1:01 am
Location: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
Contact:

Post by Bobbe Seymour »

I always use a bar glass, they are free and have a transparent tone you see through.
(Sometimes I even use them empty.)

Bill Stroud? Would you trust a guy who's initials are "B.S."?
Bobbe Seymour
Brad Malone
Posts: 1440
Joined: 2 Nov 2006 1:01 am
Location: Pennsylvania, USA

Good Bars

Post by Brad Malone »

I would also add that if you have enough money; buy a "good bar" and you will always have a place to play. I read sometime ago that one of Hank Thompson's Steel players did that.
Bill Stroud
Posts: 1267
Joined: 7 Dec 2003 1:01 am
Location: Dresden, Tennessee, USA * R.I.P.
Contact:

Bar & Tone

Post by Bill Stroud »

Ha Ha a Good one Bobbe, that's a good line..
B = Bobbe or Bill
S = Seymour or Stroud
I like that, keep up the good work >>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<

I'm liking my bars more than ever, for I know who I can Trust...
Bill S.
User avatar
Mike Wheeler
Posts: 3058
Joined: 18 Oct 2004 12:01 am
Location: Delaware, Ohio, USA

Post by Mike Wheeler »

All right, you guys. We better keep an eye on these guys making those BS comments. :P :lol:
Best regards,
Mike
Post Reply