Volume Pedals

Kris Oka · Post by **Kris Oka** » 11 Oct 2006 7:33 pm

How many of you non-pedal steel players use volume pedals? What kind, when and how often? And techniques used.

Thomas Ludwig · Post by **Thomas Ludwig** » 12 Oct 2006 1:37 am

Kris,

I bought the cheapest volume pedal for trying out. 25 Euro (30$) all plastic. But not bad at all. I used it for some gigs not for all. It's more useful for me when I play standing up.

Thomas

Steinar Gregertsen · Post by **Steinar Gregertsen** » 12 Oct 2006 2:03 am

I have an Ernie Ball pedal, but I rarely use it. When I do it's usually because I'm asked to provide some sort of "dreamy atmospheric sounds with lots of delay" stuff......

Steinar

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Roman Sonnleitner · Post by **Roman Sonnleitner** » 12 Oct 2006 4:11 am

I have two - a Morley Compact, and a George Dennis GD125 (that one als has a tremolo circuit included). I use them a lot, for fading in chords (kind of like keyboard pads), or formaking parts of solos stand out.

Randy Reeves · Post by **Randy Reeves** » 12 Oct 2006 5:02 am

I use an Ernie Ball vol pedal.
unlike Stienar, I use it all the time.
it is good for typical volume swells and other 'dreamy' techniques.
I use it for stepping out in front for leads and fills.
it is nice when you want to change instruments. just stop the vol flow and you can silently unplug and switch guitars.

it is located last in my pedal train. right after the delay.

I like it.

Chris Walke · Post by **Chris Walke** » 12 Oct 2006 5:26 am

I use the Hilton pedal. Beautiful. Never scratchy. I went thru a few pots on my Ernie Ball pedal. Thing kept getting scratchy. The Hilton costs a lot, but it's active, preserves your tone in spite of other pedals between it and the amp, and the throw is long & smooth. Worth the $$, IMO. Assuming you don't lose it, abuse it, or it doesn't get stolen. You'll never replace it.

How much I use it depends on the band I'm playing with. Some of the stuff I play sounds better with no volume pedal, some sounds good with lots of volume swells. Just play what works for the song.

Robbie Daniels · Post by **Robbie Daniels** » 12 Oct 2006 5:31 am

I use a Goodrich 10K. It helps provide a more stable signal and at my age I need help staying low in background and increased volume on solos. When you get older the only swells you get are in your stomach.

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Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 12 Oct 2006 6:36 am

I like to use a volume pedal when playing a console steel, for some reason. When playing a single neck, lap steel, I seldom use a foot volume.

I started out with a DeArmond foot volume and still have it. Over the years I have used Sho~Bud, Emmons, Ernie Ball and Goodrich pedals.

I find that the best use of foot volumes is to cover up a boo-boo or bring out the sound of harmonics.[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 12 October 2006 at 07:38 AM.]

Todd Weger · Post by **Todd Weger** » 12 Oct 2006 4:26 pm

For old-time hapa-haole Hawaiian stuff, never. Sounds all wrong to me.

For the kind of thing Steiner was talking about (atmospheric, etc...), then maybe an E.B. Works well enough for that.

If I'm doing any rockabilly, then my Fender pedal with the side-to-side "boo-wah" tone pot control.

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Post by **Brad Bechtel** » 13 Oct 2006 7:45 am

I used an Ernie Ball volume pedal for 20+ years until it virtually wore out. Now I have a Goodrich L10K volume pedal, but I don't use it very much (even though it's a great pedal).

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Jim Bates · Post by **Jim Bates** » 14 Oct 2006 8:38 am

In the early 50's (53?) I bought a Gibson lap steel and then the Jerry Byrd course. Jerry recommended a volume pedal, so I got a DeArmond, which I still have and use some. It came with metal gear and rack, which I changed out to a nylon gear and rack (obtained through DeArmond). Had many controls in it, plus a few paint jobs.

I htink the Hilton would be an 'overkill' for a lap steel. Keep it simple like the steel pioneers did.

Thanx,
Jim

Kris Oka · Post by **Kris Oka** » 14 Oct 2006 10:58 am

Thanks all. Mr. Bates, I justed playing last year and recently ordered Jerry Byrds course. It is good to know that he recommended the use of volume pedals. I also have Cindy Cashdollars videos and she uses a volume pedal. And Cindy sure can play Country. Her intro is a Country tune that I would sure like to play someday but I don't know the name. She also has tabs for Cold, Cold Heart and San Antonio Rose.

Nathan Hernandez · Post by **Nathan Hernandez** » 14 Oct 2006 11:03 am

I use a Bigsby volume tone pedal,,,,well I try to at least!

Keith Cordell · Post by **Keith Cordell** » 14 Oct 2006 12:00 pm

If you want to hear Cindy use a VP with non pedal very effectively in a non-country project, check out Ryan Adams and the Cardinals' Cold Roses- a double disc of incredibly cool stuff.

Mark Tomlinson · Post by **Mark Tomlinson** » 14 Oct 2006 12:52 pm

I use a BOSS FV-500H which has been fantastic addition at the end of the effects chain. Both for lap steel playing, and normal guitar playing it is essential to control over the sound. I also have a classic Dunlop Crybaby at the front of my effects chain.

But still - most of time I like to play lap steel straight into the amp (on a separate line). Then for volume/tone swells (blasts) on the lap steel I use the volume controls on the guitar - using pinkie, 3rd finger, or whichever one is not busy at that time. I can imagine that if you don't want to bother your right hand with that work, you'd want a wah and volume pedal.

I'll post some new pictures of my setup on my website.

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Rick Alexander · Post by **Rick Alexander** » 14 Oct 2006 1:35 pm

I use a Hilton - for swells, dynamics and sustain.

John Bechtel · Post by **John Bechtel** » 22 Oct 2006 10:14 pm

With PSG, I usually use my Hilton pedal and keep my Derby pedal for a spare. With Non-Pedal Steel, I’ll use a Goodrich 120 V-P and have the Hilton pedal for a spare, because; my Hilton works on the floor or on the pedal-bar, w/o having to make any modifications!
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Bill Creller · Post by **Bill Creller** » 23 Oct 2006 10:05 pm

I have a DeArmond pedal that I bought new in 1950. It's a pot eater if it's used a lot.
When I got back into music after 40+ years, the Hawaiian bunch told me to lose it, so I rarely use it, although I'm comfortable with it.
The DeArmond is cast aluminum, and seems indestructable.

Jeff Strouse · Post by **Jeff Strouse** » 24 Oct 2006 1:53 am

When I use one, it's a Goodrich L-120...I've never really tried anything else, as that was what was available to me at the time...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 25 Oct 2006 11:20 am

Hi, I'm new around these parts.

I haven't seen too many other folks mention this one, but I am using a Dunlop GCB-80 High Gain Volume Pedal. It is passive (no power requirements), built like a tank, and has 1 million cycle audio taper pot. You definitely want audio taper for steel swells. It appears not to color the sound at all.

I aslo have a vintage passive ShoBud pedal, but it definitely does color the sound -- making it darker.

--Jamie