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Topic: Revelation Pre-Amp - New Rack System - Hear it Here! |
Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2007 11:01 am |
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Here's an original song recorded on my new rack system. The system is comprised of a Revelation Tube Preamp, Lexicon MPX1, Stewart World 1.2 and Rick Johnson cabinets loaded with 15" Eminence neodymium speakers. The steel parts were recorded in stereo (each speaker cabinet mike'd separately) with no EQ or compression onto a Yamaha AW-1600 at 16 bits. The guitar parts were done on a G&L Tribute ASAT Special Custom into a Boss RV-5 reverb and then into a stock Fender Hot Rod Deluxe.
See the rack system Here!
Listen to original song Rack Attack
Many thanks to all the manufacturers for making such fine equipment!
Greg
Last edited by Greg Cutshaw on 3 Jun 2007 4:08 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Brad Issendorf
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Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 2 Jun 2007 11:12 am
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Greg, just a quick question, which steel were you playing on this clip?
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2007 12:15 pm
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Brad,
The steel was an MSA Legend, see details here:
MSA Legend
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Brad Issendorf
From:
Lake City, Minnesota
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Posted 2 Jun 2007 12:22 pm
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So other than your superior playing ability, my Legend with Truetones would sound similar? Now I probably will have to come up with an excuse to explain buying a Revelation to my wife. Nice sound and great playing.
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Dave Diehl
From:
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 2 Jun 2007 4:05 pm
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| Exact same setup I use except for the cabs. I use the Evans cabs. It does sound good. |
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robert kramer
From:
Nashville TN
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Posted 3 Jun 2007 5:36 am
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| Greg, Quick questions. Where did you purchase Stewart World 1.2 Power Amp? Also, does Stewart Power amp run cool enough to rack it next to other rack components? Thanks in advance, Bob Kramer (I want to end up with a two space pre/power amp rack) |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2007 5:59 am
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Robert,
I bought mine here:
BestBassGear.
I play for hours on mine with very little heat build up, but I would definitely want a fan and some cross ventilation in a 2 space rack!
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Dave Diehl
From:
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2007 1:20 pm
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| Funny... that's where I got my Stewart Amp also. They had the best price I found on it. |
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Jerry Roller
From:
Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 3 Jun 2007 7:22 pm
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Greg and Dave, are you guys using the effects loop for the MPX1 and if so can you help me? I can't seem to set the MPX1 100% wet. I am not getting much effects even with the Revelation FX control wide open.
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Dave Diehl
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Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2007 3:33 am
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| Yes Jerry, I am running the effects loop out of the Rev into the MPX 1. I set the internal settings of the MPX 1 to 100% wet, set the out switch on the rear of the Rev to nearly wide open, adjusted the input vol of the MPX 1 to avoid clipping, and control it with the Rev. I have not had any problem with that. I have found that using a splitter (TS to TS Y cable) out of the Rev, giving you two inputs to the MPX 1 and setting the internal to Stereo input versus the Mono one, did make some difference. That setup is sensitive to the types of cables you use also. I found mine to work best using the TS cables versus the TSR ones. Gave me a cleaner response. |
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Bill Miller
From:
Gaspe, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 4 Jun 2007 3:42 am
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| Jerry, do you have the rear panel FX output level knob all the way up on the Revelation? Brad told me that for most situations that knob should be maxxed out. I'm using a T.C. Electronics M350, not a Lexicon but there's certainly more than enough effects level. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2007 3:59 am
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Jerry,
I have the effects out level on the Revelation at about 90% and set the MPX1 input to mono and the MPX1 effects level at 100% wet. See the wiring diagram on my web site listed above. I am getting tons of clean effects without maxing out the Revelation effects level control, 70% of this control gives me a deep reverb.
As a side note, I also tried the MPX1 in series following the Revelation. It still sounds great and you can then use all the MPX1 presets as is. In this mode even the chorus can be used to full effect with no phase cancelling. Still plenty of good warm tube sound in this mode.
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Rick Johnson
From:
Wheelwright, Ky USA
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2007 7:12 am
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I still don't have my own MPX-1, but I should probably get one since so many Rev owners are using it. Just curious. Does the MPX-1 have an option for what kind of line level outputs it's sending? Also, can you tell the inputs to operate at -10dB, and then tell the outputs to operate at +4dB? It seems that there should be more ways to control signal levels inside that beast. Always shoot for the hottest input signals it can handle without clipping.
I know that some guys with MPX-1's are getting plenty of fx level out in the Rev's loop, but a few guys have struggled with getting those same hot outputs from it.
I've been using the TC M300 (and soon to try an M350) and it's just a plug in and go kind of thing. Plus you have knobs on the front for quick and no-brainer tweaking. Generally I like to keep the Rev's FX Send knob on the back cranked all the way up. Only bring it down if you find that you are clipping the input of your fx unit when playing.
I really have been a strong advocate for the TC stuff. I've worked with Lexicon and TC gear for years in the studio. Both are very high end companies with great reverb algorithms. These days both companies have taken their fancy reverbs and packaged them into cheaper boxes in the $200 range. The TC M300 and M350 just so happen to have the perfect topology. There's a button on the back of these units that tells them to run in parallel, so reverb and delay are parallel with eachother. Then you set the wet/dry knob at 100%. Then there's a blend knob that dials in the relative balance between delay and reverb. You can save 99 presets. It's so easy, and the reverbs and delays are really excellent. The levels are just right too. These units are cheap, and truly hold their own against the MPX-1. The MPX-1 is a great unit, but to me seems to be kind of overkill if all you need is just a delay and a reverb. Also the MPX-1 requires getting into programming mode to make changes like parameter and balance changes. The TC units are entirely done with knobs on the front panel. Very quick and easy for on the fly tweaking.
So If you're good at submenus and programming the MPX-1, then I'd say do it, great piece of gear. But if you are not so comfortable navigating thru that beast, I would strongly recommend giving the TC units a shot. The M350 is about $199, and the M300 is about $130.
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Dave Diehl
From:
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 4 Jun 2007 9:05 am
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| I generally find that, setting the MPX 1 effects at 100%, I use the effect dial on the front of the Revelation around 9 to 11 oclock. Go over that and the effects begin to become to much. Generally at around 1 oclock, I'm drowning in effects (if that's an appropriate term here). And to answer your question Brad, it does allow you to switch between -10dB and +4dB on the input side but the output side is fixed. If it can be changed, I have not seen that option yet. |
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