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Jerry H. Moore
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Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 29 Apr 2007 4:10 pm |
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A question for E9th 10 strings 3X4...OK I know the pedals are ALWAYS A-B-C. I've graduated from an old Fender 1000 to a Sho-Bud so now I have knee levers and will be able to start practicing by using various tabs. Most of it I understand but sometimes I'm confused as to whether the R means right or raise. Same with Left or Lower. Some sites call the levers D-E-F-G and I've seen and X somewhere. I do know the V is vertical. Is this just something that will make more sense in time? Are the tabs different according to what levers are assigned and will be changed to suit by the player? Any sites that might clear this up for me? The Rebel site tab has been very clear to me but others are head scratchers (at times). I do have to thank everybody for tabbing the trademark licks of the heroes like Ralph Mooney and Brumley etc etc. I feel that we should all create and not copy but these trademark sounds should and will need to keep going. Thanks everybody!!!
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 29 Apr 2007 5:40 pm
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| The most common usage for knee levers seems to be: D lowers 2nd string D# to D and 9th string D to C#; E lowers Es on strings 4 and 8 to D#; F raises Es to F; G raises F#s on strings 1 and 7 to G. These letters match something about the functions, and so are easy to remember. But some tabs use different terms. The Ls and Rs usually refer not to notes, but to the location of the levers and the direction they are pushed: LKL, left knee push left (or some would say left knee kick left); LKV, left knee vertical; LKR, left knee push right; RKL, right knee push left; RKR, right knee push right. These location terms are used to describe setups (copedents), but are not much used in tabs, because the locations vary according to guitars and users. For example, the E lever can be found on LKR or RKL, depending on the player. |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 29 Apr 2007 9:10 pm
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Tab is a code: it doesn't matter how the string is raised/lowered, that's up to the setup of the individual steel.
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Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Jon Light (deceased)
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 30 Apr 2007 11:45 am
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| I'm too lazy to see what Joey's links say but: there are some interesting explanations for why the specific knee levers were named D, E, F etc. Unfortunately not everyone is in agreement and there is still more than one 'standard' for the names. Therefore anyone writing tab must provide a key (E lowers 4 & 8, F raises 4 & 8 etc.) if they use names for the levers. I'm not crazy about tab that says +1 or ++1 etc. but at least it is not subject to misunderstanding. |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2007 12:26 pm
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| I used to find the different symbols used by various tabbers confusing until I really studied and learned what each pedal and lever actually does to the strings they effect. Most instructional matierial usually has some explanation of the symbols. |
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Jerry H. Moore
From:
Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2007 3:18 pm QUESTION ANSWERED
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| This is exactly what I need yall! I had a few gray areas that clouded my old redneck head. Now I can get busy. My Sho-Bud was set up a little different so it really made it confusing. Now it's clear and with the help of Coop's parts that are on the way I can set it up like I want it. Thanks guys!!! |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2007 3:21 pm
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| Jon Light wrote: |
| Unfortunately not everyone is in agreement and there is still more than one 'standard' for the names. Therefore anyone writing tab must provide a key (E lowers 4 & 8, F raises 4 & 8 etc.) if they use names for the levers. |
A, B, C and F are very standardized. Some people reverse the meanings of D and E, but it's easy to tell in the context of the tab. In either case, it means "push the lever that lowers this string". You should memorize which lever lowers which strings - then the tab will make sense no matter what the lever is called.
Some people use "L" for "Lower". That works too.
People should never assume that levers are in the same position on someone else's guitar. Writing RR for right knee right or V for vertical on tab is simply bad practice. There's no way to know how the reader's guitar is set up. Tab should identify the changes by function, not position.
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Jerry H. Moore
From:
Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2007 4:03 pm
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| Thanks b0b! The Forum comes to the rescue again! |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 1 May 2007 1:20 am
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| every now and then you will not even see a letter designation but rather a + or a - sign, which in the scheme of things is probably the best way to write tab as it relates directly to the string in question rather than the mechanical lever. I believe it was the late great Jimmy Crawford who did this. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 May 2007 7:21 am
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I don't write tab often, but when I do I tend to use sharps and flats instead of pedal/knee letter names. I think it's clearer that way, for the intermediate player anyway.
Everything is confusing to a beginner. The sooner you memorize what each pedal/lever does, the better.
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Nic du Toit
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Milnerton, Cape, South Africa
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Posted 4 May 2007 2:14 am
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When I do tab for someone, I always show, at the top, the changes for each lever. The rest is like b0b said.
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