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Topic: 7th string compensator |
Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2007 2:56 pm |
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| My 7th string is tuned (beats out) to AB pedals down(A6). My compensator sharps the string when E lever(lower)is engaged, correcting the tunning for the B triad or B6. This is not a perfect remedy though, since if you want to strike a B sus and resolve to the B triad by engaging the e lever, your out of tune till the e lever is in. I think I did it this way because on the P/P, it was more convenient to throw on a pull rod than a push rod. I think the other way might be the better way to go though. Any advice and feed back? |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Posted 20 Apr 2007 3:03 pm
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| Maybe I'm missing something (probably) but doesn't the more common method of tuning the F# beatless with the open B string and flattening it with the A pedal (beatless with the C#) address the problem? |
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2007 3:29 pm
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| I stand corrected. silly me. |
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John McClung
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Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 20 Apr 2007 7:05 pm
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I prefer to slightly flatten string 7 with the B pedal. I want that D major triad on strings 9-7-6 (at zero fret) with pedal B beatless. With the compensator on pedal A instead, you wouldn't get that sweet chord, which I use a lot.
I tune the 7th beatless in a B chord, with E's lowered, strings 5-7-8.
Much better method, imho.
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 20 Apr 2007 8:53 pm
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| John McClung wrote: |
I prefer to slightly flatten string 7 with the B pedal. I want that D major triad on strings 9-7-6 (at zero fret) with pedal B beatless. With the compensator on pedal A instead, you wouldn't get that sweet chord, which I use a lot.
I tune the 7th beatless in a B chord, with E's lowered, strings 5-7-8.
Much better method, imho. |
I do the same as John, except I play a universal so instead of having the D note on the 9th string, I get it bu lowerung the 8th, which actually make it easier to get the D chord. But regardless of how you get the D note, lowering the 7th strng on the B pedal gives and using the D note as a bass gives you a really nice sounding chord that can easily be expnded to a 6, 6/9, Major 7 or major 7 add 9.
I lower my 1st string on the A pedal.
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 21 Apr 2007 7:01 am
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| John & Mike--you've got me thinking----I also lower my 8th string to D on my Uni 12 and I sweeten that D a little sharp and for sure it beats against the 6th string A. Some years ago I did do the compensation on the B pedal (for reasons I can't recall but not with this particular issue in mind) but with it being a bit stiff pulling three G# strings already, it added a little notchy feeling at the end of the pull that wasn't comfortable. Knowing a bit more now about the leverages of my guitars now, it may be worth revisiting this. And as Mike does, I suppose it makes sense to keep the 1st string comp. on the A pedal like it is now. |
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John McClung
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Olympia WA, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2007 8:48 am
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Mike, why do you flatten string 1 with pedal A? I do that with pedal C because I occasionally want string 4 and string 1 in unison, but have never perceived a need to do what you do. Explain, Jam Maestro! Hope you're having fun at the Perl Jam today, see ya mañana!
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2007 4:57 pm Re: 7th string compensator
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| Steven Welborn wrote: |
| My 7th string is tuned (beats out) to AB pedals down(A6). My compensator sharps the string when E lever(lower)is engaged, correcting the tunning for the B triad or B6. This is not a perfect remedy though, since if you want to strike a B sus and resolve to the B triad by engaging the e lever, your out of tune till the e lever is in. I think I did it this way because on the P/P, it was more convenient to throw on a pull rod than a push rod. I think the other way might be the better way to go though. Any advice and feed back? |
That's exactly what I do, too. I tune the F# string flat, and raise it by about 15 cents on the lever that lowers the E strings.
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 22 Apr 2007 8:24 am
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| Mike, why do you flatten string 1 with pedal A? |
John, it was for mechanical rather than musical reasons. I didn't want 5 pulls on my B pedal. I tried it, and it made the pedal too stiff in relation to the A pedal. This way each pedal has 4 pulls.
With 3 changes plus the comensators, my A an B pedals on my older guitars are a little stiff, and I developed a fairly heavy foot action to compensate for it. When I got the Millennium, I had a bit of difficulty at first adjusting to the lighter touch it requires.
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Charlie McDonald
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out of the blue
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 5:01 am
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Wow, this gives a whole new slant to a problem I thought was mine or the guitar's. My P1 is a G#->F# lower and I can get it rectified to other strings but not str. 1. (The extra crank just sitting there will allow me to compensate for what I assumed was a fact of life or a misunderstanding of JI, almost enough to cause me to return to ET.)
Thanks.
Mike, your tuning chart http://b0b.com/tunings/mperlowin.html
shows the compensators on the B pedal. Is this the amended chart for the Millenium? |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 7:26 am
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Charlie, That chart is ten years out of date. I dropped the knee lever that raises the 1st and 4th strings, and the 8th pedal, and the 1st string compensator is now on the A pedal.
I'll have to get b0b an updated chart.
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