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Topic: C6 to E13? |
John Poston
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Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2007 11:46 am |
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Anyone know of a way with the standard C6 setup to get the top strings of the Leon McAullife E13 intervals? Only way I've found is with P6 and a high D but they're out of order. I'd like to have G on top anyway.
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C6+P6 -1/2 to E13
D C#
F E
C B
A G#
G F#
Eb D
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Maybe I'm missing something simple or maybe I should just leave well enough alone  |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2007 5:09 pm
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P5 gives you a D9th
knee lowers C to B to make it a 13th
at the 2nd fret you have:
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open 2-fret
1 D E
2 E F#
3 B C#
4 A B
5 F# G#
6 E F#
7 C D
8 A B |
I use this position all the time when I want a 13th chord.
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Sonny Miller
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Lino Lakes, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 21 Apr 2007 10:06 pm C6 to E6 By Hal Rugg
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I was in a music store on Lake St in Mlps years ago and saw Hal Rug come to town and sit down and retune Gordy Parkers guitar with a C6 to a E9 with the Same heavy duty strings.just to show us some licks from a E6 tuning. I imagine he used this tuning at some time in his past. No pedals were used of course, just a E6 tuning, but boy was it sweet sounding.
G--C6 tuning ----G# E6 tuning
E ----------------E
C ----------------C#
A-----------------B
G-----------------G#
E-----------------E
C-----------------C#
A ----------------B
F-----------------?
C-----------------?
He then had Don Helms Tuning on the first 8 strings but enough to show us , how Don Helms played A E6 neck.Of course i found out he used a tuning like this for years. But he was a heck of a picker, and from Mn. too.
Last edited by Sonny Miller on 23 Apr 2007 6:43 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Billy Wilson
From:
El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 22 Apr 2007 11:12 am
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| Use both feet on the pedals. 5 and 7 will give you a pretty good version of the Leon tuning. |
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Sonny Miller
From:
Lino Lakes, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 22 Apr 2007 5:27 pm Tried the Leon tuning on the C6 neck!
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It did not have any resemblance to Don Helms tuning!
Sorry! 
Any other ideas from anyone? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Apr 2007 5:40 pm Re: Tried the Leon tuning on the C6 neck!
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It did not have any resemblance to Don Helms tuning!
Sorry!
Any other ideas from anyone? |
Don Helms has a high G#. I use the E9th neck to get Don Helms-ish sounds, alternating the first pedal up and down to get B or C# as required. (Note that Uncle Don never plays the two strings together - a secret of his unique sound.)
On my C6th, I put the D string between C and E. Doing that makes the P5+k position more similar to Leon's E13th at the 2nd fret:
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P5+k
open 2-fret
1 E
2 D E
3 B C# (lowered C to B with knee lever)
4 A B
5 F# G# (lowered G to F# with P5)
6 E F#
7 C D
8 A B
9 F# G# (raised F to F# with P5)
10 D E (raised C to D with P5) |
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Sonny Miller
From:
Lino Lakes, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 6:41 am Thanks for this info.
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| I have been staying out of the way of the C# and B;s sounding together. Good point! |
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 7:32 am
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| Thanks for all the good answers. Looks like I can't avoid the D on top if I really want the 1 on top. Funny thing is I use the P5 w/ lowered B all the time and never even thought about that for some reason. |
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 7:40 am
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| Oh, and the Don Helms E tuning is basically a 6 tuning, just look at strings 2-9 at the 4th fret on C6.. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 8:57 am
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Also, the high D string adds a 13th note to the F9 chord created by P6. This chord is one half-step higher than Leon's E13th, but it sounds the same. Again, look at it with the top two strings swapped:
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P6 Leon
1 +F E
2 D C#
3 C B
4 A G#
5 G F#
6 -Eb D
7 C B
8 A G#
9 F E |
I have to say that putting the D between C and E feels very natural to me. I know that some people say it gets in the way, but I've always been comfortable with "skip grips".
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 9:46 am
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| b0b - Now we're back where this whole thing started w/ P6! You need to put D back where it belongs on top - don't you know that's where all the famous guys have it? |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Apr 2007 10:03 am
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| John Poston wrote: |
| b0b - Now we're back where this whole thing started w/ P6! You need to put D back where it belongs on top - don't you know that's where all the famous guys have it? |
Hey, I'm pretty famous too! 
You're right of course. I was playing a C6th lap steel the other day, thinking about the origin of P6. I often use a bar slant to get a 7th chord:
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E ____8_______
C ____/_______
A ____7_______
G ____/_______
E ____6_______
C __________
C7 notes Bb, E, C |
... and so I thought that maybe the slant was the origin of the P6 changes. This topic has given me a new insight  perhaps P6 was invented to emulate the low part of Leon's E13.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 24 Apr 2007 7:02 pm
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Here is a good old one .
bottom to top.
E-G#-B-C#-E-G#-B-C#-E-G#
--------D--F#---------------pedal or knee
I used to use this a lot with a couple of variations...al.
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 25 Apr 2007 11:00 am
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Thanks Al,
That's a really excellent idea. |
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