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Jody Carver
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Posted 31 Mar 2007 5:09 am |
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..I'm truly sorry I started this thread.......................if my Marilyn were here, she would not at all be happy that she would know I'm holding back from the truth.
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Joey Ace
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Posted 31 Mar 2007 7:47 am CBS Fender vs Music Man
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I've heard that the new, CBS owned, Fender company told it's dealers that if they carried Music Man products they would loose their Fender dealerships.
If this is true, that was the death bell for MM.
The dealers couldn't afford to loose their Fender contracts.
Even though MM had excellent products, the corporate types found it was easier to use these tatics than produce better products.
I wasn't an insider, Jody was. If he says this isn't what happened, take his word for it.
Until then, I and many others believe this is what happened to the excellent Music Man company. |
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Jody Carver
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Posted 31 Mar 2007 8:11 am
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Joey...I have no comment, other than, my very best to Sally and to you as well.........I enjoyed having you here on Feb 7th, during a snowstorm where you were able to meet Marilyn, she had a good time making those meatballs. and thought very much of you, as I do as well.......God Rest her sweet soul
Your friend always...Joey I wished I were able to tell it like it was, I know Marilyn would have wanted it that way.
Jody
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Joey Ace
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Posted 31 Mar 2007 8:24 am I Understand
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I've been told corporate lawyers are still watching closely.
I used to have a lot of respect for that company.
That was long ago. |
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Jody Carver
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Posted 31 Mar 2007 8:37 am
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Joey ......Mr. Randall was the best of Fender, that's all I can add.........Fender today will always be The BEST A number 0ne Top of the Heap...
They have watched and all they saw was me 
Mr. Randall was Fender, whatever transpired after he resigned 1 year short of his Five year contract with CBS , he had no part of being a part of what you make refernce too..It took place when the new Fender appointed Bill Glennon President of CBS Musical Intrumets.. Glennon was no Donald Dean Randall and far from it.....he fired over two hundred people in two weeks time...he was brought in prior to Mr. Randalls resignation and came from CBS NY, he was an accountant, he was planted and in a few months he was gone.
I hope this answers you comment, I would not lie to you or anyone else, I speak the truth and I know Marilyn would have wanted me to do so...God Rest her soul..you know the marriage we had and I would not hide anything from you.
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Jody Carver
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Posted 31 Mar 2007 10:23 am
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Joey, when we first started MusicMan Tom and Leo asked us salesman not to mention Leo's name in connection with the product. For fear that when Leo passed it would then become a pre MusicMan product and we would be back where we started. I resigned from CBS in 85, Frank starts his book in 78 and if any pressure was there, it was history by that time.
Frank was not in sales per say, he took care of the accesories such as straps strings and the like. With all due respect to my friend Frank Green...he did a great job
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 4:10 am
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I wish musicians still ran guitar companies like they used to.
Corporate reasoning has never improved anything.
Innovations were made by real guys--Les Paul, Leo Fender (boy I wish I had kept my '49 Fender 600 amp...).
CBS was the demise of Fender; maybe it's now to blame for MM.
Thanks, Jody, but I'll wait for your book. 
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Terry VunCannon
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 4:22 am
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Jody...You are the man...I can't wait to read your book...Thanks....Terry V.
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 6:11 am Thank you Charlie and Terry
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Charlie, you always have nice things to say, you are a good friend and I appreciate your friendship.
Terry, I consider you as a friend. I can say this much
there are two sides to each and every story, I have been on both sides and then some, being a baseball fan
a ball can be thrown on the outside corner, the other on the inside corner,Be well my friend
Jody
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 6:48 am Book Purchase
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There will be no mention of Music Man in the Last Fender Guitar.....and for reasons as I was the last to leave Music man, Jack Steele resigned after I stayed on and sold all the close out merchandise.
I would not compare the Fender I knew with Music Man
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 6:52 am Re: Book Purchase
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I forgot to mention that "The Other Side Of The Story"
can be purchased from Hal Leaonard Music and Centerstream as well. These are 2 very competant people and they published my friend Richard Smith's
"Fender The Sound Heard Round The World"
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let me correct my spelling please
Thats Hal Leonard Publications. Sometimes I womder how
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 7:47 am Re: Book Purchase
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Of the two books composed I will go with Forrest White, he intentionally left my name out as I didnt want to bite the hand that was feeding my family hence to tell Mr Fender what really was going on at Music Man...This is the Gods Honest Truth
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Craig A Davidson
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 11:44 am
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| Jody you were younger then and not as many words to learn. In regards to a statement up above by one of my friends that has a Fender franchise that years ago you couldn't have two dealers within 20 miles of each other. Now I see them in the same towns. Also my friend tells me he has to carry a huge dollar amount of inventory. It is also that way with a couple other companies. I'll have to find the book and read it. I liked Forrest White's book but it did seem a bit biased. Almost like he was afraid to tell the whole story. |
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 12:27 pm
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| Jody you were younger then and not as many words to learn. In regards to a statement up above by one of my friends that has a Fender franchise that years ago you couldn't have two dealers within 20 miles of each other. Now I see them in the same towns. Also my friend tells me he has to carry a huge dollar amount of inventory. It is also that way with a couple other companies. I'll have to find the book and read it. I liked Forrest White's book but it did seem a bit biased. Almost like he was afraid to tell the whole story. |
Craig yes I was younger, it was common practice back then to have the reps select the dealers, not for the amount of product they were to sell, I chose my dealers out of my gut feeling that they were reliable and honest and those I could feel comfortable with them, and they with me. As far as Forrest and all due repect to his wife  , he held back NOTHING and his quotes were off color, he called me a few days before he passed and told me he was dying of bone cancer and he was sorry he left me out of the book he had already wrote he told the entire story and intentionally went out of his way to hurt those invloved and he had a right to do so I refused his asking me to put into writing my complaints regarding Tom Walker. , Leo had had it and opened G&L. Read the book am I sorry I left Fender? YES. But it's water under the bridge. Our book will be of humor and fun times and sad time, but NONE of running those down who didnt deserve it. There will never be another Fender and I have many friends from those days,as I often said "I wasn't the best salesman Fender ever had", but I was the proudest. . . Thanks again and God watch over you and your's. I just need a little more time and thy shall be done.As For the Last Fender Guitar..there will be be one I have to find a publisher who has an open mind and publishes what we've composed and not the publishers insiting to do it his way, He's Not Frank Sinatra
Thanks Craig and again, thank you for finding my long lost Fender triple blonde Custom. God Bless Donald D.Randall and you and your family as well Craig. Sorry for the edit. At this juncture I have the flash drives for our book,my will help me if I do I will send them to no one. unless I find a publisher that won't allow us to tell it like it is and was.
At any rate. be that as it may I'm not able to find a publisher..hence if not There will Be no Book.There is only one gal who knows the complete history of Fender back then.....
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 1:36 pm Off Topic For My Friends
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I have not neglected to mention the names of those pioneeer's at Fender, perhaps you younger fellows don't remember, but I do.
Mike Cole a friend and more than that a fantastic human being who sold more Fender Instruments than anyone on the Fender sales force, and oddly enough Mike never ever played an instrument. And who could foget his younger brother and another fine salesman, John has since this thread was generated has passed
Dale Hyatt passed at Easter...........there is only one original Fender salesman left and he's editing this post now.God rest Your soul Dale.
Joey as always, my best to Sally,and to you as well.
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 5:34 pm
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Thanks Jody. I've long wondered what happened and why Leo Fender left the company was not successful.
I have 2 of his Musicman Sabre guitars, with active electronics, one of which has been converted to a 12 string.
(Note the Hipshot B string bender in the 12 string.)
I think this may well be the finest guitar the man ever made. They are louder, bassier, brighter and ballsier than just about any other guitar on the market. It's a real shame they are no longer being made.
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 11:10 pm The Sword Of Sabre
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My dear friend Mike, your words of praise for Leo Fender ring through my very soul. The Sword of the Sabre guitar cuts through my memories, I too had one for my own, but gave it to John Schnieder father of John Schnieder Jr, star of the Dukes of Hazzard many years ago. Mike check your pm...want to send something I think you will like. The Stingray was NOT popular, in fact when it advertised in Guitar player I believe the caption wa We Came To Play, with a photo of the Stingray...before that I had orders for the stingray sight unseen.when the dealers who had orders they pace with me saw my sample, they cancelled the orders. It was then the Sabre came to play and play it did, it is in my opinion far superior to many other guitars on the market today.I had a beauty with a slim 7 and 1/2 inch radius and that's the one I gave to John Schneider for his son John who lived 5 miles from Somers in the hamlet of Katonah........
Read Frank's book and then read Forrest Whites book, there you can read what actually happened and I'm sure it will enlighten your very thought's of a kind and generous man, and yet with the success behind him at Fender, never really felt he accompolished what he did during those years, and that broke his heart as it did mine.He was a friend and expected the best from the people who worked for Fender and Musicman...and yet at Musicman he wasn't given the respect for his knowlege and expertise. Feel better and my prayers are always with you.
Be well my west coast friend, and you have what I feel are the greatest guitars designed and produced by the late Leo Fender how did Mr. Fender follow his own act with Fender guitars, with one exception, his later years were overcome with people who took his pride from him as Parkinson's disease weakened his body and he stood with his dream of another Fender and left a legacy that will long be remembered. I have been candid in my answer to your question, because I know how much you are dedicated..a few months before he passed, I was in California and I was at his office at CLF Clarence Leo Fender,he was looking tired and weary and I said, Mr. Fender, you're looking well, and he responded with, Jody don't get old, it's not good fer ya..he passed a few months later..end of story..God Rest his soul..
Goodnight my friend and I wish all good things in life for you to be with you always.And my best to Laurie.....You friend.
Jody
Your East Coast friend
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Jody Carver
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 11:30 pm Re: The Sword Of Sabre
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[quote="Jody Carver"]My dear friend Mike, your words of praise for Leo Fender ring through my very soul. The Sword of the Sabre guitar cuts through my memories, I too had one for my own, but gave it to John Schnieder father of John Schnieder Jr, star of the Dukes of Hazzard many years ago.John Schneider Sr and myself are good friends and he still lives in Katonah New York, where I lived in Somers only 4 miles from John Sr.
Be well my west coast friend, and you have what I feel are the greatest guitars designed and produced by the late Leo Fender, with one exception, his later years were overcome with people who took his pride from him as Parkinson's disease weakened his body and he stood with his dream of another Fender and left a legacy that will long be remembered. I have been candid in my answer to your question, because I know how much you are dedicated to Leo Fender and for that alone.
Goodnight my friend and I wish all good things in life for you to be with you always.
Your East Coast friend
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Andy Greatrix
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 10:18 am Question For Jodie
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I have a Musicman Stingray 1, six string guitar, serial number G004750,
I bought in the mid-seventies.
Randy Owens, the lead singer for Alabama,
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Jody Carver
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 1:58 pm Re: Question For Jodie
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I have a Musicman Stingray 1, six string guitar, serial number G004750,
I bought in the mid-seventies.
Randy Owens, the lead singer for Alabama,
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Andy, yes it was,Randy and the boys with Alabama were MusicMan endorsers. Great group that won many awards.
Fine guitar with the pre amp, that guitar can move a mountain. |
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Jody Carver
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 3:02 pm
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Andy, I beleive Jeff Cook played bass and he too used a MusicMan Stingray with the battery preamp. Any other information, let me know.
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Terry VunCannon
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 3:20 pm
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| I think Alabama was Randy Owens/Guitar Vocals, Jeff Cook/Guitar, Teddy Gentry/Bass, & Mark Herndon/Drums...we used to run into them in Myrtle Beach in the old days, they played at the Bowery & we were at the Magic Attic. Great guys....Terry V. |
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Jody Carver
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 3:25 pm
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| I think Alabama was Randy Owens/Guitar Vocals, Jeff Cook/Guitar, Teddy Gentry/Bass, & Mark Herndon/Drums...we used to run into them in Myrtle Beach in the old days, they played at the Bowery & we were at the Magic Attic. Great guys....Terry V. |
Terry, sorry bout that, I met them over at Leo's CLF lab one day and I didnt have much time to spend with them. I was told that with every award they received they had the award
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 3:43 pm Re: Book Purchase
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let me correct my spelling please
Thats Hal Leonard Publications. Sometimes I womder how
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Use the "edit" button to edit your posts, please, not the "quote" button.
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Mike Perlowin
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 3:45 pm Re: Question For Jodie
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I have a Musicman Stingray 1, six string guitar, serial number G004750,
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The Stingray and the Sabre save the same active electronics and sound the same. The differences are purely cosmetic.
As a matter pf personal taste, I think the Sabre looks better than the Stingray, but they are essentially the same guitar.
I fail to understand why the Ernie Ball company who owns the rights to these guitars and the active system that made them sound so good, has not either reissued one or the other, or used the system in one of their other models.
If I ran Ernie Ball/Musicman, I'd not just reissue the guitar, but I'd do so with a big advertising campaign featuring the words "Designed by Leo Fender."
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