Lets close this.Are move to pedal steel.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 18 Mar 2007 7:42 am

This is Zum's student model. I think that they are no longer being made, but I'm not sure. Like most student models, its mechanism is limited - the right-moving levers LKR and RKR are the only actuators that can lower strings, and strings 2, 4 and 8 are the only strings that can be lowered.

This one looks from the pictures to be in showroom condition, like one I saw on display at the ISGC about ten years ago. I wanted to put my diatonic copedent on one and Bruce explained to me why it couldn't be done.

Jack Carpenter · Post by **Jack Carpenter** » 18 Mar 2007 7:58 am

Yeh not bad turn around seing as how he bought it from me for $600. By the way, your donation to the forum is on its way.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 18 Mar 2007 8:50 am

No, this guitar does not have a high tech changer.But it's Fine for a standard set-up.Not good if you want to add the so called Franklin pedal. Or split tune or add the 2nd string raise.

As stated, It plays like a dream. Sounds great. But tone is subjective. But sustain is not. It either has it. Or it don't.This one has it.

Jack I felt you priced the guitar under the money.That's why I bought it. However I had no idea the guitar would look, play and sound as it does.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 18 Mar 2007 12:17 pm

For those who feel sorry for poor ole Jack. He owns Carpenter Appraisal Svcs. He gets paid real good money to know the value of things.Chances are he makes more in a week than I make in a year jockeying used gear.Nuff said.

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Casey Lowmiller · Post by **Casey Lowmiller** » 18 Mar 2007 12:35 pm

People buy stuff & resell it at higher prices all of the time...I've seen that numerous times here on the forum.

No big deal. Bobby can charge whatever he wants no matter what he paid. If someone pays that much for it, good for him. If Bobby can't sell it for that price...I'm sure he'll figure something out.

I think it was kind of wrong for Jack to make the comment that he did...no good could've come from it.

That's how auction sites like Ebay work. I've known several people who buy something for dirt cheap & turn around & sell it for premium prices.

I've never met Bobby but I know that he contributes to the forum & sells stuff all of the time. I've played a stage-one & I didn't like it...doesn't mean that someone else won't think it's awesome.

If someone wants a stage-one...this one looks pretty clean to me.

BUMP for a clean stage-one with case!!!

Damir Besic · Post by **Damir Besic** » 18 Mar 2007 1:36 pm

shoot,you`re right ,I really have no business here,I appologize and good luck to everyone...

Db

Stephen Gambrell · Post by **Stephen Gambrell** » 18 Mar 2007 5:37 pm

I've sold stuff at a loss, and then CRINGED at the price the buyer had placed on it---And the other way around. It's called free enterprise.
I've argued with Bobby a lot on this Forum, but his price is his price---If you have no interest in owning this guitar, why worry about the price? And if you DO want the guitar, then haggle in private, via email, phone calls, whatever.
I'm still getting offers for the Webb amp I sold last year

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Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 20 Mar 2007 1:46 pm

Usually by now a moderator would have stepped in and deleted the post from non buyers. To avoid the circus atmosphere. This has not happened.So I’ll try and moderate this one on my on.Wish me luck.

The price is $900+ freight.I think the price is fair. The guitar blows the Carter away. Only my opinion of course. But I own both.Plus the fact there will be no more of these built by Bruce. But, if you like long stiff knee and pedal action? And don't mind undercarriage rattle.Save a few bucks and buy the Starter. Thanks for looking.......bb

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 22 Mar 2007 1:01 pm

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 22 Mar 2007 1:14 pm

I would like to thank those of you
who e-mailed your support. But also.
Just as important.Thank those of you
who don't agree with me. But had the
decency to E-mail as opposed to posting
on this For Sale add. You're a great
bunch. Thanks.

......bb

Now if I can just get these pictures
down sized to where we can read all
this without scrolling back and forth.

I'm working on it.

Post by **b0b** » 23 Mar 2007 10:08 am

Bobby Boggs wrote:Zum Stage One 3 and 4. ...

I only see 3 knee levers.

David Doggett · Post by **David Doggett** » 23 Mar 2007 10:42 am

"You can't buy and sell at the same price and stay in business." I think that quote is from somewhere in the Elderly catalog. Players can afford to buy and sell at near the same price, and for that they get the privilege of playing the instrument for awhile essentially for free. But you can't expect dealers and collectors to do that.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 23 Mar 2007 11:11 am

3x4. Pictures were shot before 4 th lever was installed. Lever is sames as the rest.Not aftermarket.THanks.....bb

John DeBoalt · Post by **John DeBoalt** » 23 Mar 2007 11:43 am

I bought a Stage One used for $300 in 1997. About $50 in parts from Bruce, and it was ready to go. Actually was my first pedal guitar. Also came with the 4th knee. It hasn't been out of the case in a while, but I guess I'll keep it. Maybe it will turn into a collector item some day ha ha

John

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 23 Mar 2007 1:11 pm

In 1997 I was buying nice LDG's for 500 to 700 bucks.Price one now.

Why don't you sell it for what you have in it?You got just what David Fields is looking for.Right price range to.

So list it for sale. Or shut up.......bb

David Fields · Post by **David Fields** » 23 Mar 2007 2:03 pm

John DeBoalt:
I sent you an email about your Zum.

On a sidenote for anyone on the forum...Bobby Boggs and I only live several miles from each other here deep in the beautiful south. It is one of those beautiful early Spring days here that you just have to thank God for. Close to 80 degress and very sunny.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 23 Mar 2007 2:08 pm

Anyone else have a nice Stage One for cheap? Dave is a good guy.Help him out.......bb

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 23 Mar 2007 10:54 pm

b0b. I'm curious.Besides the fact you can't install your personal tuning.What else do you not like about the Stage One?

Is it the short soft pedal and knee pedal action?

THe fact there is no need for lower return compensators?

Or is it that it only has 2 cents cabinet drop on the E's? And 7 cents on the 6th string when the C pedal is pressed? The C pedal tells the tell. You guys check your pro models.

Bruce Zumsteg would not put his name on a piece of junk. That's the reason every pro guitar he's built in the last 20 years.If in excellant condition. Will bring more than they sold for new..

Zum owners. Those that bought new. Those that know Bruce.Does this thread and the other threads about this thread not bother you? No need to answer..

And b0b. Can you name a better entry level guitar??

admin · Post by **b0b** » 24 Mar 2007 7:46 am

Bobby Boggs wrote:b0b. I'm curious.Besides the fact you can't install your personal tuning.What else do you not like about the Stage One?

Your price.

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 27 Mar 2007 2:53 pm

B0b is certainly entitled to his opinion.As for the value of something? I can sit here and pick any deal apart .And give you a reason why you shouldn’t buy anything.

Example. My opinion might be..A guitar might be to old .Bad color. Too hard to work on. Hard to get parts for. Too hard to change the set-up. Doesn’t sound good. Doesn’t sustain good. You get the idea. Everyone has a opinion.

I don’t care for b0b’s choices of guitars. They are well built. Just not my cup of tea. For reason’s I won’t get into out of respect for the builders and owners………Thanks……….bb

Charlie McDonald · Post by **Charlie McDonald** » 28 Mar 2007 5:00 am

All that blue! I would have bought it in a minute.

The setup limitations compare with a Starter.
But they only come in black.
And it's a Zooom!
Good luck, Bobby; it'll sell.

Willis Vanderberg · Post by **Willis Vanderberg** » 28 Mar 2007 6:17 am

As with any thing a person sells to make a dollar, the money is made in the buying...If you can't buy it right you can't make a nickel on it.
Once you sell an item , what the buyer then asks for it, is not relative at all. For you, to reveal the selling price is kind of a cheap shot. Bobby you should ignore this whole thread and the dissenters..

Bud

Bobby Boggs · Post by **Bobby Boggs** » 28 Mar 2007 7:10 am

Several have ask what the set-up is? It's Emmons pedal and knee set-up. For those who might not know.

Pedal 1 B's to C#
Pedal 2 G#'s to A
Pedal 3 E to F#
and B to C#

Knees

LKL E's to F's

LKR E's to D#

RKL Both F#'s to G#'s

RKR D# to D or C#. Your choice....

A lot of great steel has been played with a lot less.

The Steel Guitar Forum

Lets close this.Are move to pedal steel.

Lets close this.Are move to pedal steel.

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