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Topic: Help with Fender 1000 copedant |
Jerry H. Moore
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Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2007 4:49 pm |
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I'm very content with the front neck on this guitar. I have it tuned E9 with pedals 1 2 3 4 5 doing the parts of A B C LKL LKR. That leaves 3 pedals for the back neck. I like the Sneaky Pete tuning but I need to know what the "important" pedals are. For instance: compare them to A B C on the E9. I could possibly give up one of the front assigned pedals if needed which could give me 4 pedals for the back neck. I tried the P1 P2 P8 from Sneaky's tuning as suggested and it's OK but I want something with the ease of the E9. Is this the way C6 is or in my case B6? I have a little knowledge of music theory but am basically an "ear" or number system player. Any help appreciated greatly.
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basilh
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 1:11 am
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Your order for the ABC and LKL LKR is impractical for general playing. whilst it may seem logical, it's not.
The most common change is the 1 to 4 and the 1 to 5 chords.
Whilst you don't qualify what your LKL and LKR changes are, one can presume that the ABC are standard.
Why not put the E-Eb change after the B pedal then you have the two most important chord changes on ONE foot, like A+B = 4 chord and B+C (repositioned LK?)= 5 chord.
The 2 minor obtained by the REGULAR B+C is nowhere near as common a change.
As for the C6th set-up, we'll get to that later.
Try what I've suggested, I KNOW that it works better.
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Jerry H. Moore
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Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 5:59 am
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| That's perfect Basil! I never thought of that. I hardly ever use that minor anyway. I started on a Carter Starter with the Nashville setup and really do miss that knee lever.There just doesn't seem to be a copedant for the B6 or C6 that can be contained in 3 or 4 pedals. I would love to be able to add the knee lever like you have but have been unable to find a source or drawing or anything. Thanks for the help, I thing I'll change it and give it a try. |
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Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 7:13 am
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Hey Jerry, at one point I had an old Fender 1000 which was set up similar to this.....
Basic tuning was D E F# G# B E G# F# (low to high)
Pedal 1...Raises strings 3 & 7 E's to F
Pedal 2...Raises string 4 B to C# and lowers string 8 D to C#
Pedal 3...raises strings 2 & 5 G#'s to A
Pedal 4...lowers strings 3 & 7 E's to D#
I had my second neck to A6th but a B6th copedant could be something like this. (low to high)
E G# B D# F# G# B D#
Pedal 5....raises string 1 D# to E and lowers string 5 D# to D
Pedal 6....lowers string 4 F# to F and raises string 8 E to F.
Pedal 7....Raises string 2 B to C# and also raises string 3 G# to A#
Pedal 8....would raise string 6 B to C and lower string 8 E to D#.
This set up would give you most of the basic changes on an E9/B6 universal tuning and you'd be able to play a lot of the things you hear on recordings...JH in Va.
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 7:49 am
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To answer the original question:
In Sneaky's copedent, most of us who play it exclusively or at least often have found that the 1,2, 7 and 8 pedals are critical, so you were on the right track. You can play 90% of what he does with those and some creative sliding. The 1 and 2 give you E9-type "A&B" pedals; 7 gives you a second-string lick pedal that gets used a lot; 8 is used for minors. I'd probably set it up as 1,2,8,7 in that order. If you have any spare knee lever pulls (or can add a knee), the LK is the most important one.
Whe you say something "with the ease of E9" I'm not sure what you mean - Sneaky's B6 is pretty logical, and is basically an early Universal, in sort of a reverse-image of a "normal" one. As far as compared to C6, it's sort of a compromise between E9 and C6 - the "C6" - type pedals are #5 and #6 in Sneaky's copedent, but his B6 and "normal" C6 aren't used for the same thing, really.
Pete would use #3 for 7th periodically, but not that often; 5&6 only came into play for certain licks and one or two "swing" type tunes, along with diminished chords (which he didn't seem to toss in very often); #4 is somewhat redundant with #8; the RK came later in his career and I don't hear (or use) it much; and # 9 was almost a practical joke, as he used it for a placeholder for his right foot and never used it at all.
I hope that helps. Most of this came from Pete himself, and he gave me the "magic 4" some time ago. It's the same advice I give 4-pedals 4000 owners who want to dive in to Sneaky's playing.
Hope that helps. Feel free to email me with any questions as well. You can also join us over on the Fender "cableheads" forum for more info:
http://scaryoak.com/forum/index.php
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 8:15 am
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With the copedent posted (thanks b0b!) you can see the similarities in #4 and #8 - I'm another one who does it mostly by ear, and I was not sure what the 6th-string change on #8 was used for, as I just used that pedal for minors (and that's what Pete had explained as well).
But Ed Bierly, a Fender player (among other guitars/copedents - he could play any tuning you throw at him) and theory encyclopedia, explained how it works for ascending scale licks in the lower register. I've been messing with that change for the last week and it's addictive- I usually avoided playing low stuff, but now I'm finding all sorts of things to do just with that change and pedal #1 on the 8th string.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Jerry H. Moore
From:
Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 9:38 am
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I'm almost there! I've been changing to most of the copedents sent and have found most all of the helpful. I'm now going to the Sneaky tuning with 1 2 7 8. I think I,ve had this one before but didn't give it enough time. What I mean by "ease of E9" is that at my level right now it's seems easy to use the A and B in different combinations to change the flavor, from the root to the IV and sus4 etc. Basil fixed me up with C dropping the E's for the V. I had the 4th pedal doing that and it was awkward. Thanks Basil. Keep in mind this is a twin neck and I'm working on finding a copedent for the back neck tuned in B6. Thanks everybody!!!
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Jerry H. Moore
From:
Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2007 10:16 am
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OK I changed to the Sneaky Pete 1 2 7 8. This is what I need I think for now (this things to easy to change) The 1 and 2 are what I'm talking about by being able to use pedals instead of running up and back. I think this ones a keeper.
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