Lovin' Spoonful

Pat Dawson · Post by **Pat Dawson** » 5 Mar 2007 5:15 am

Just saw a special last night on MPT of John Sebastian and the Lovin' Spoonful. There was an old film clip of a performance where the guitarist was playing a single neck pedal steel. Who knew! I don't recall the tune, though.

Roger Miller · Post by **Roger Miller** » 5 Mar 2007 5:21 am

Was the song, Nashville Cats, possibly Garcia, or even Sal, or John on the steel. I 'm not for sure, but love the song, sing it out children!!!

Nashville Cats, Clean as country water

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 5 Mar 2007 6:07 am

I always assumed those "steel-like" licks on Nashville Cats were done on guitar with Bigsby Palm Pedals.

Buddy Griffin · Post by **Buddy Griffin** » 5 Mar 2007 9:07 am

I kept waiting for "Rainbows all over your blues" with Emmons. As far as I know, they never did play it. That is one of my absolute favorite steel recordings ever.

BG

Pat Dawson · Post by **Pat Dawson** » 5 Mar 2007 9:42 am

It wasn't "Nashville Cats". I remember that one. John S. was playing keyboard and singing.

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 5 Mar 2007 10:04 am

I'm pretty sure there was no steel guitar on any of those early hits, but I have seen a YouTube video of them on which Zal is sitting at a little S-10 (might have been a student model even), pretending to play steel, just as everyone else in the band was lip-synching and pretending to play their instruments. They were so bad at it, that they kept cracking up laughing at how ridiculous it all was. Of course, back in those days they were under medication too...

Pete Finney · Post by **Pete Finney** » 5 Mar 2007 10:57 am

I met John Sebastian at a gig once years ago and asked him about "Nashville Cats"... He said most of it is Zal Yanovsky on guitar playing sort of "steel like" licks, and then in between John played just a little actual pedal steel on I believe what he said was an old Fender...

I don't know about the video though...

J Fletcher · Post by **J Fletcher** » 5 Mar 2007 11:32 am

I heard "Nashville Cats" on the radio a couple of weeks ago, and to me it sounds like there's a pedal steel in there, as well as Zal playing steel-like guitar licks. I was deliberately listening for the steel, and I heard it...Jerry

Brint Hannay · Post by **Brint Hannay** » 5 Mar 2007 12:26 pm

I just listened to Nashville Cats on Rhapsody, and I agree it's a pedal steel--clearly played by someone, probably Zal, who knew no more steel than to mash and unmash the A & B pedals. But, hey, it's in tune! Actually, I don't hear any six-string licks that sound steel-like at all. Interesting how they sandwiched the end lead with the most "adventurous" licks the steel could play at the beginning and end.

Bob Blair · Post by **Bob Blair** » 5 Mar 2007 2:14 pm

I think Pete Finney's post above gave us the definitive answer as told from the horse's mouth - to the extent there was a bit of steel on there it was John Sebastian.

Jon Graboff · Post by **Jon Graboff** » 5 Mar 2007 6:53 pm

I have a friend who did the liner notes of a couple of the recent Spoonful reissue CDs and he had some lengthy chats with the 3 surviving members of the group. John Sabastian said he did indeed play some rudimentary pedal steel on an instrument that was left in the studio from an earlier session. I don't exactly remember what kind of steel he said it was, but I have it in my head that he said it was a Sho-Bud. Kinda sounds like one.

Joe Alterio · Post by **Joe Alterio** » 8 Mar 2007 7:59 am

The video clip in question is "Rain On The Roof" with Zal playing a single-neck Fender.

John was quite the multi-instrumentalist, so I would have to think he played all of the pedal steel on the handful of Spoonful songs that had it ("Nashville Cats," "Boredom," "Rain on the Roof"). He also played banjo, autoharp and killer harp on their records, too!

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 1 Oct 2016 1:36 pm

Joe Alterio wrote:The video clip in question is "Rain On The Roof" with Zal playing a single-neck Fender.

John was quite the multi-instrumentalist, so I would have to think he played all of the pedal steel on the handful of Spoonful songs that had it ("Nashville Cats," "Boredom," "Rain on the Roof"). He also played banjo, autoharp and killer harp on their records, too!

JS did indeed play pedal steel on the recording of "Rain On The Roof." When I asked him recently if he used a horn on the song he replied:

The 'fluglehorn' is actually Zalsâ€™ Guild Thunderbird with all treble off at the guitar,then a treble setting on the Fender Super-reverb.

Who knew?

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 1 Oct 2016 2:45 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVdSLB1DsSE

Jack Hanson · Post by **Jack Hanson** » 2 Oct 2016 9:37 am

One of the top American pop bands of the sixties who went head-to-head against the so-called British Invasion and ultimately prevailed. Unfortunately, the rode the crest for a relatively short period of time before the bottom fell out due to a drug bust in California.

One listen to "Hums Of The Lovin' Spoonful" should convince anyone that the Spoonful could play "Country" in the mid-sixties at a level much higher than what passes for "Country" in 2016.

Possibly the most underrated band of all-time.

Bryan Staddon · Post by **Bryan Staddon** » 3 Oct 2016 5:58 am

Don't know about the steel controversy,but the inside cover of The best of The Lovin' Spoonful has a picture of John S. playing a flame top Les Paul that looks amazing, wonder where that ended up?

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 3 Oct 2016 9:24 am

The first time I ever heard "Last Date" was from Zally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdS7RGVnjrk
On that same album is also "Brown To Blue" with steel from Red Rhodes.

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 3 Oct 2016 1:38 pm

Bryan Staddon wrote:Don't know about the steel controversy,but the inside cover of The best of The Lovin' Spoonful has a picture of John S. playing a flame top Les Paul that looks amazing, wonder where that ended up?

Its amazing to think that that guitar was probably worth all of $100 in 1966.. on a good day... Today if its really clean and original, it can command half a mil......

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 3 Oct 2016 2:28 pm

... John S. playing a flame top Les Paul

Its amazing to think that that guitar was probably worth all of $100 in 1966..

Out of the 600 flame top Les Pauls that Gibson made in 1959, only about 18,000 remain today.

Mike Perlowin · Post by **Mike Perlowin** » 3 Oct 2016 3:22 pm

Earnest Bovine wrote:
... John S. playing a flame top Les Paul

Its amazing to think that that guitar was probably worth all of $100 in 1966..
Out of the 600 flame top Les Pauls that Gibson made in 1959, only about 18,000 remain today.

I saw one with a bolt-on neck.

Joachim Kettner · Post by **Joachim Kettner** » 4 Oct 2016 3:35 am

Here's the story of another Les Paul that previously belonged to John Sebastian:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(guitar)

The link doesn't work, copy and put it into google search.

Frank Freniere · Post by **Frank Freniere** » 4 Oct 2016 3:38 am

Bryan Staddon wrote:Don't know about the steel controversy,but the inside cover of The best of The Lovin' Spoonful has a picture of John S. playing a flame top Les Paul that looks amazing, wonder where that ended up?

He says he sold it to "some player."

Bob Carlucci · Post by **Bob Carlucci** » 4 Oct 2016 10:33 am

Earnest Bovine wrote:
... John S. playing a flame top Les Paul

Its amazing to think that that guitar was probably worth all of $100 in 1966..
Out of the 600 flame top Les Pauls that Gibson made in 1959, only about 18,000 remain today.

correct.. there are a lot of rich guys with bogus bursts in their collections..George Gruhn has stated that some of the copies are so good that even he can't tell the difference on them and certain other electrics,, he also said that acoustic guitar fakes are much easier to spot.. at least for him...

Jim Hoke · Post by **Jim Hoke** » 5 Oct 2016 7:08 pm

Finney's right. Sebastian sat down at a Fender steel for an hour and came up with the steel licks on "Nashville Cats". Same thing with "Rain On The Roof". The Spoonful were absolute masters in the studio of producing orchestral sounds, textures and arrangements using just what they played (mostly electric guitars). Red Rhodes was mentioned in this thread from being on the Zal solo album. He also played on "Boredom" from the last Spoonful album. With all this hoopla about "Americana" these days, especially in Nashville, it's absolutely stupid that the aficionados have completely overlooked the Lovin Spoonful. American roots?? You want "American roots"? Okay, how 'bout taking Mississippi John Hurt, The Carter Family, Rev. Gary Davis, Gil Tanner & The Skillet Lickers and rolling it into one big joyous bundle? Any of the mealy-mouthed Tom Petty sound-alikes being fawned over by the hipsters done anything close to that?

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 5 Oct 2016 7:32 pm

Where's the "LIKE" button when you need one?

Go get'em, Jim!

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