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Topic: Newman Tuning question |
Jamie Lennon
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 10:47 am |
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I tune too the Newman tuning charts, tweaked also.
How many of us tune the open strings with the pedals down ?
ie tuning the 1st 2nd 4th strings but with A+B pedals engaged, i dont press any pedals when tuning does matter ?
JAMIE |
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 11:17 am
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It only matters if you have serious cabinet drop. Tune your E chord with no pedals. Then press the A and B pedals and watch a meter to see how much your Es drop. Or tune your A chord with the A and B pedals down, and watch how much your Es rise when you release the pedals. If the change in pitch is less than 4 cents (1 Hz), then it probably doesn't matter whether you tune with the pedals up or down. As a practical rule of thumb, anything less than 5 cents (1.25 Hz) is not noticeable to most listeners. If it is more than 4 cents (1 Hz), whether you tune to E with the pedals off, or tune to A with the pedals down, the chord you didn't tune to will be noticeably off pitch when playing open strings at the nut without the bar. People will advocate one way or the other, but I have never seen the point of tuning one chord perfect and letting the other chord be way out of tune.
The sensible solution to me is to split the difference between the two chords. For example, if your cabinet drop is 8 cents (2 Hz), tune your open-pedals E chord 4 cents (1Hz) sharp (reference pitch 441), and tune your pedals-down A chord 4 cents (1 Hz) flat (reference pitch 439). This gives you acceptable open string playing at the nut with either chord, and whether you tune equal temper (ET) or Just Intonation (JI). And in Newman's charts, the one that tunes the Es to a reference of 441 does something like this. |
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Jamie Lennon
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 11:27 am
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| Thanks very much, I have ordered a new Carter, how much drop is on them >>????? |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 1:11 pm
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| Each guitar is different. It depends on the fit and materials of the guitar, the string gauges, the number of stops on pedals and levers, etc. I wouldn't trust what anyone else says happens on their Carter Starter. Get a decent chromatic meter (Boss, Korg, Peterson, whatever) and play around with it. Watching what happens between a meter, your guitar and your ears is an education in itself. |
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Jamie Lennon
From:
Nashville, TN
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Posted 4 Feb 2007 1:15 pm
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Cheers thanks for all the help
JAMIE |
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