Franklyn Pedal

Ed Javner · From: Mt. View Arkansas, USA

I'm sure this has been asked a dozen times, but being new to the forum I'm going to ask it. Just what does this pedal do? Pull, push or is it a leaver? [/list]

Larry Strawn · From: Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.

Ed,
It's a pedal that lowers strings 5,6, and 10 a full tone.

Larry

edited to add, welcome to the Forum it's a great place!
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Ed Javner · From: Mt. View Arkansas, USA

Thanks Larry. We'll be out your way next week to visit some friends in Cottomwood, then to Quartsite and maybe Yuma for a little more pickin.

Marc Weller · From: Upland, Ca. 91784

Can anyone give me an example of how this pedal is typically used?

MW

Jeff Lampert · From: queens, new york city

Paul Franklin's solo in the Alan Jackson song Livin' On Love features that pedal in a couple of spots.
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Larry Strawn · From: Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.

Ed,
If you get to Kingman while you're out this way give me a call, I'll buy the coffee! Very Happy

If you think you may be up this way shoot me an email and I'll give ya my Tele. #.

Concerning the Franklin pedal, I have that pull on P-4 on my Carter, I'm still experimenting with it looking for ways to use it in phrases and how to use it in scale runs, found a couple of pretty cool "licks". Laughing

Larry
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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

mp3 below

here's a little sound file I sent my good buddy Stephen Gambrell when he was considering the P4 pedal on his new Carter. These are some very basic phrases but tell a great story...

Trust me I am no expert on these phrases but I have spent a bunch of seat time and learned the phrasing and tonality so I can use some of these phrases in auto pilot.

pay no attention to the out of tune of pitchy stuff, I did this one morning at about 6 Am for Stephen as he was getting ready to order his new Steel.

I think every E9th Steel should have this 5,6 and 10 lower.

here ya go

http://www.tprior.com/R1_0055.MP3

Papa Joe Pollick · From: Swanton, Ohio

Thanks Tony,that little demo convinced me to put it on my guitar.Just don't know yet if I want it left or right side of my Emmons set-up.PJ Very Happy

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Hey PJ, I had it on the P4 ( D Pedal) position on my previous Steel, now it's on the P0 position..far left..for some reason I just find going left off of AB to the far outside positon works for me rather than crossing the C Pedal...

I like it much better over there at P0..for me it feels natural..on an un-natural Instrument !

glad the little demo was usefull ...

good luck

tp

Jeff Colson · From: Rockford Illinois, USA

Hey Guys,
Paul Franklin has a CD instruction on this pedal and it's uses. He teaches some great licks on there but the most important lesson is the theory behind what it does to the chord changes and different chord sounds that it makes when you use it. For 20 bucks on his web sight a very useful lesson.

I replaced my 4th pedal that was previously from my C6th neck to use as the Franklin pedal I rarely ever used that pedal on that neck anyway. I don't find it difficult to use next to B&C but I didn't have allot of other options.

Jeff

Kyle Everson · From: Nashville, Tennessee

I've decided to add this pull to my guitar. Before, I had a lever raising 1 a whole, 2 a half, and lowering 6 a whole tone. For those of you that have the PF change on a pedal (not split), did you keep the 6 lower as I've described, or did you swap that for a 7th string raise to G# on the same lever as the 1 & 2 raise? What was your reasoning for staying/changing?

Kyle

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

I find the 6 lower and the 1 raise on the same lever as a conflict for me. I raise 7 rather than lower 6.

My 6 lower is only on the 0 Ped right now but if I could find another way to lower it by itself I would. A magic lever somewhere.

Stan Paxton · Posted 26 Jan 2007 2:17 pm

As Calvin would say, time for a stupid question, since I'm not good enough to work this out in my head. Is there any application of using the Franklin pedal along with the C pedal if in the 4th position, or with the A pedal if in the 0 position; similar to the way we use A & B together & separately? Confused

Papa Joe Pollick · From: Swanton, Ohio

Glad you ask that question Stan. Laughing

PJ

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

Tony Priors examples are very helpful. Thank you Tony.

Larry Strawn · From: Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.

Tony,
thanks for the demo, it helps with my thinking about phrasing, glad I took your advice you gave to some one a while back about leaving it there, the uses would come! Very Happy

Kyle,
I raise #1 a half tone, and lower #6 a whole tone on a knee lever, with A&B down, then engage this lever I get some smooth 7th chord sounds, and I use the half tone raise on #1 with A & B down in some scale runs, and licks. Right or wrong, that's just me! Laughing

Larry
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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

thanks guys, Larry I think you have reached the proper conclusion which is thinking about the phrasing. Once you fool with them ( seat time) and then apply them a bit at a time, it opens up.

Any of the typical grips are relevent. There's a lot of music over there but it may not show up the same day as the Steel Smile

Chris LeDrew · From: Canada

I guess this change will soon be considered standard on the E9 neck?

Tony, that's a great demonstration of the change. I've stood and watched others, particularly Canadian steel great Steve Smith, use this change to great effect. I too have sat at steels with this change, but can't really find a lot of uses for it in what I do. (Maybe I just don't miss what I've never known.) That four-part change you demonstrated, starting with the AB pedals @ the 10th fret, is really nice, though. That's a change I'd definitely overuse. Smile

One of these days I may add the 4th pedal, but for now I'm still finding my feet on the 3rd pedal. Smile

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Jeff Colson · From: Rockford Illinois, USA

Stan,
Hope you don't mind if I give you a stupid answer. I don't know music theory all I can do is go by what I hear. When I use the Franklin pedal I don't use pedal C (which it's right next to for me) and in my case I can't reach pedal A so that's not an issue. Pedal C pressed with pedal 4 makes all the mica on my steel peel off at once then my amp has convulsions. So you can see why I don't use them together. Tony's example is a great way to start cause you can hear A&B then Release then pedal 4 and the way it's a great tool for melody and a different way to phrase chord changes.

Jeff

Stan Paxton · Posted 27 Jan 2007 9:37 am

Thanks Jeff, for the response. It is a good answer & to the point; I don't think PF & C together is gonna be good.
Tony's demo clip was very good, and it helps to hear something as well as the explanation.
From what I've seen & heard here in this thread & others, I think I will eventually go to a 4th pedal, but probably have it in the "0" position instead of #4. I Have trouble with getting to B&C smoothly from A&B, as it is, without trying to get all the way over to #4 spot.
Thanks to all you guys for this good thread.

God Bless

Jeff Colson · From: Rockford Illinois, USA

Stan,
In the 0 position is great wherever you can access it the best. I happen to use B & C allot so moving over to the 4 position is no big deal to me. The guy sitting behind the rig has to be warm and fuzzy about his setup !

Jeff

Ron Elliott · From: Madison, Tennessee, USA

In 1976, when I was working at Music City(SHo-Bud) and doing quite a few sessions in town,..all I needed was the E9th, but then started working at some clubs and doing some Western Swing, I sort of wanted "that bottom end",..but having only a single-neck,..I came up with a pedal that raised 3,5, & 6,lowered 9 & 10...that turned the E9th into an A6th. That pedal is 31 years old, and some of the guys are still having it put on their S-10s. So, it's not a new idea,...but it works really well. Thanks for letting me jump in. Ron Elliott

Larry Strawn · From: Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.

Tony P.
Your demo with the Franklin pedal that you posted has already started to help. I just came in from our music studio where we were jamming with a new guitar player, I found myself using my P-4 with one of the phrases you demoed. I don't mean to be misunderstood, I'm a long, long way from being profecient with it, but it's a start! Very Happy

Once again thanks for your input.

Larry
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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Larry, that sounds great, and like you, I am not the master..but rather a master hack..

One thing is for certain though, this P4 is really no different than perhaps the Bb lever or any other lever /change that is not in the mainstream,( aka. AB and E levers ) if we spend time with them and understand the tonality and start to execute slowly they will arrive.

tp

Dan Beller-McKenna · From: Durham, New Hampshire, USA

When I ordered my Fessenden last year I wanted to have the Franklin pedal. Since I already used the 6th string lower, and following the trends I could trace on the forum (including comments from Paul Franklin and Tommy White) I split the pedal: kept my 6th string lower on a dedicated lever (LKR) and lowered 5 and 10 a whole step on pedal 4.

I just contacted Jerry Fessenden about getting the correct rods to move the whole shebang to pedal 0. As others have mentioned, it helps to have proximity to A and B to get the signature sounds that Tony demonstrated. I also decided I wanted all three pulls on the pedal; there's enough motion going on when switching between the Franklin pedal and pedals A+B that I didn't want to have to be knocking a knee lever too.

I still kept the 6th string lower on a separate lever since I use it a lot against the stationary fith string, it just had to accept some company on LKR:

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(not sure why the image isn't showing here!) Confused

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